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  • W weimaraner

    @saeft_2003 sagte in Frage zu USV:

    ob es die Möglichkeit gibt, dass iobroker den NUC herunterfährt bevor die Batterie leer ist? Und geht das gleiche auch bei der Diskstation?

    Das ist eine interessante Frage, die mich auch beschäftigt. Ich habe eine ähnliche Konstellation (Qnap, Nuc mit proxmox und darauf iobroker, alles an einer APC USV).
    Die USV ist mit dem QNAP/Synology verbunden. Dieses kann sich runterfahren, wenn USV Batterei leer wird. Soweit klar. Das stelle ich im QNAP/Synologie Menü ein.

    IObroker könnte ich per blockly mit Daten aus dem USV-Adapter runterfahren. Richtig?

    Wie bekomme ich jetzt noch den NUC einschließlich Proxmox heruntergefahren? Brauche ich dazu einen NUT-server auf dem NUC/Proxmox? Oder macht das das QNAP/die Synolgy gleich mit?
    Grüße Andreas

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    liv-in-sky
    schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
    #7

    @weimaraner weiß nicht ob's hilft - wahrscheinlich gibt es eine einfachere art dies zu tun

    • von iobroker aus sende ich ein file als variable auf den proxmox server (über sshpass) zum abfragen - ist das file da, wird proxmox ausgeschaltet - zum ausschalten habe ich einen kleinen service eingerichtet, der abfrägt, ob das file da ist - ich schalte so jeden abend mein ganzes system runter - Alexa, schlafen ein und dann wird am ende des scriptes das file auf proxmox kopiert und der server runtergefahren

    sowas könntest du auch machen - wenn iobroker von usv empfängt, dass usv stromlos- dann sende ein file zu proxmox und fahre iobroker runter - der service fährt dann proxmox runter

    ich habe mir auch eine usv zugelegt (powerwalker) und wollte die auch noch einbinden - da ich diese direct an proxmox server anschliesse, sollte das runterfahren direct funktionieren

    nach einem gelösten Thread wäre es sinnvoll dies in der Überschrift des ersten Posts einzutragen [gelöst]-... Bitte benutzt das Voting rechts unten im Beitrag wenn er euch geholfen hat. Forum-Tools: PicPick https://picpick.app/en/download/ und ScreenToGif https://www.screentogif.com/downloads.html

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      lonsimbt
      schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
      #8

      Ich habe ebenfalls meine USV (allerdings nicht APC) an meinem Heimserver (proxmox u.a. mit iobroker) hängen. Direkt unter proxmox läuft der nut-Server und fährt wenn nötig proxmox (und damit auch alle virtuellen Maschinen/Container) herunter. Alle anderen Rechner, die an der USV hängen, werden über einen nut-client heruntergefahren oder hart ausgeschaltet (FritzBox, WLAN-AP).

      Vergleichbares sollte mit nut/apcd auch für eine APC USV möglich sein.

      Mein iobrokers nut-Adapter fragt nur zur Information und Visualisierung den Zustand der USV ab.

      Die diskstation sollte sich m.E. auch über einen geeigneten Client, der den nut oder apcd Server-Prozess abfragt, herunterfahren lassen.

      iobroker im Container (debian Bullseye) unter proxmox 7.1
      debmatic in VM (debian Buster) unter proxmox 7.1 mit HB-RF-USB und RPI-RF-MOD
      40 HomeMatic Geräte, Phillips Hue, Ikea Tradfri, Logitech Harmony Hub, Botvac Connected, Robonect

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      • L lonsimbt

        Ich habe ebenfalls meine USV (allerdings nicht APC) an meinem Heimserver (proxmox u.a. mit iobroker) hängen. Direkt unter proxmox läuft der nut-Server und fährt wenn nötig proxmox (und damit auch alle virtuellen Maschinen/Container) herunter. Alle anderen Rechner, die an der USV hängen, werden über einen nut-client heruntergefahren oder hart ausgeschaltet (FritzBox, WLAN-AP).

        Vergleichbares sollte mit nut/apcd auch für eine APC USV möglich sein.

        Mein iobrokers nut-Adapter fragt nur zur Information und Visualisierung den Zustand der USV ab.

        Die diskstation sollte sich m.E. auch über einen geeigneten Client, der den nut oder apcd Server-Prozess abfragt, herunterfahren lassen.

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        MartyBr
        schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
        #9

        @lonsimbt
        Wie hast du den nut-Server unter Proxmox installiert? Direkt mit SSH drauf? Gibt es ein Repository dafür oder liegt der Server direkt erreichbar über das Debian-Repository?

        Gruß
        Martin


        Intel NUCs mit Proxmox / Iobroker als VM unter Debian
        Raspeberry mit USB Leseköpfen für Smartmeter
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        • OstfrieseUnterwegsO Offline
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          OstfrieseUnterwegs
          schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
          #10

          Ich habe auch die Konstellation wie @lonsimbt
          Mit SSH auf den proxmox host und den nut-server drauf installieren. nut.client auf allen anderen. Dann kann man konfigurieren bei welchem zustaned die 'clients' runtergefahren werden, und wann der server. Auch die Reihenfolge kann festgelegt werden. iobroker vor sql Server etc.
          In ioBroker kann man mit dem NUT Adapter alles überwachen.

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          • M MartyBr

            @lonsimbt
            Wie hast du den nut-Server unter Proxmox installiert? Direkt mit SSH drauf? Gibt es ein Repository dafür oder liegt der Server direkt erreichbar über das Debian-Repository?

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            lonsimbt
            schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
            #11

            @MartyBr
            Genau, in der pve Konsole oder über ssh via apt die benötigten Pakete installieren:

            apt install  nut-client nut-server usbutils
            

            Ich habe mich bei der Erstinstallation an diesen Anleitungen orientiert:

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            • auch in c't 2/2013 auf Seite 162 gab es einen Praxisartikel dazu.

            Ob in Deinem Fall nut oder der apcd der richtige Weg ist, kann ich aber nicht beurteilen.

            Gruß Marco

            iobroker im Container (debian Bullseye) unter proxmox 7.1
            debmatic in VM (debian Buster) unter proxmox 7.1 mit HB-RF-USB und RPI-RF-MOD
            40 HomeMatic Geräte, Phillips Hue, Ikea Tradfri, Logitech Harmony Hub, Botvac Connected, Robonect

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            • L lonsimbt

              @MartyBr
              Genau, in der pve Konsole oder über ssh via apt die benötigten Pakete installieren:

              apt install  nut-client nut-server usbutils
              

              Ich habe mich bei der Erstinstallation an diesen Anleitungen orientiert:

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              • auch in c't 2/2013 auf Seite 162 gab es einen Praxisartikel dazu.

              Ob in Deinem Fall nut oder der apcd der richtige Weg ist, kann ich aber nicht beurteilen.

              Gruß Marco

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              schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
              #12

              @lonsimbt

              Verstehe ich folgendes richtig?

              Ich habe eine proxmox vm laufen auf dieser läuft nur der nut Server und hat über den USB port Verbindung zur USV. Dann muss ich über ssh in der pve konsole nut client installieren und wenn Batterie auf low geht fährt der Server automatisch den Client runter?

              Und wie sieht es mit der Diskstation aus, kann ich auf dieser auch den nut client installieren?

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              • GlasfaserG Glasfaser

                @saeft_2003

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                Kann von der Synology weitergereicht werden !

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                ( Synology mit der USV verbunden )


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                NashraN Offline
                NashraN Offline
                Nashra
                Most Active Forum Testing
                schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                #13

                @Glasfaser sagte in Frage zu USV:

                @saeft_2003

                Sieht dann in VIS so aus::

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                Hallo @Glasfaser würdest Du diesen VIS-Bereich zur verfügung stellen?

                Gruß Ralf
                Mir egal, wer Dein Vater ist! Wenn ich hier angel, wird nicht übers Wasser gelaufen!!

                Benutzt das Voting rechts unten im Beitrag wenn er euch geholfen hat.

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                • L lonsimbt

                  @MartyBr
                  Genau, in der pve Konsole oder über ssh via apt die benötigten Pakete installieren:

                  apt install  nut-client nut-server usbutils
                  

                  Ich habe mich bei der Erstinstallation an diesen Anleitungen orientiert:

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                  • auch in c't 2/2013 auf Seite 162 gab es einen Praxisartikel dazu.

                  Ob in Deinem Fall nut oder der apcd der richtige Weg ist, kann ich aber nicht beurteilen.

                  Gruß Marco

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                  MartyBr
                  schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                  #14

                  @lonsimbt
                  Danke, damit komme ich weiter. Vielen Dank auch für die Links.

                  Gruß
                  Martin


                  Intel NUCs mit Proxmox / Iobroker als VM unter Debian
                  Raspeberry mit USB Leseköpfen für Smartmeter
                  Homematic und Homematic IP

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                  • NashraN Nashra

                    @Glasfaser sagte in Frage zu USV:

                    @saeft_2003

                    Sieht dann in VIS so aus::

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                    Hallo @Glasfaser würdest Du diesen VIS-Bereich zur verfügung stellen?

                    GlasfaserG Offline
                    GlasfaserG Offline
                    Glasfaser
                    schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                    #15

                    @Nashra

                    Widget , wurde oben angefügt !

                    Synology 918+ 16GB - ioBroker in Docker v9 , VISO auf Trekstor Primebook C13 13,3" , Hikvision Domkameras mit Surveillance Station .. CCU RaspberryMatic in Synology VM .. Zigbee CC2538+CC2592 .. Sonoff .. KNX .. Modbus ..

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                    • GlasfaserG Glasfaser

                      @Nashra

                      Widget , wurde oben angefügt !

                      NashraN Offline
                      NashraN Offline
                      Nashra
                      Most Active Forum Testing
                      schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                      #16

                      @Glasfaser sagte in Frage zu USV:

                      @Nashra

                      Widget , wurde oben angefügt !

                      Danke :+1:

                      Gruß Ralf
                      Mir egal, wer Dein Vater ist! Wenn ich hier angel, wird nicht übers Wasser gelaufen!!

                      Benutzt das Voting rechts unten im Beitrag wenn er euch geholfen hat.

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                      • S saeft_2003

                        @lonsimbt

                        Verstehe ich folgendes richtig?

                        Ich habe eine proxmox vm laufen auf dieser läuft nur der nut Server und hat über den USB port Verbindung zur USV. Dann muss ich über ssh in der pve konsole nut client installieren und wenn Batterie auf low geht fährt der Server automatisch den Client runter?

                        Und wie sieht es mit der Diskstation aus, kann ich auf dieser auch den nut client installieren?

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                        @saeft_2003
                        Man kann den nut-Server sicher auch in einer VM laufen lassen. Ich habe ihn aber direkt in der proxmox-Maschine installiert. Dann spart man sich mögliche Probleme mit dem Durchschleifen des USB-Ports etc.

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                          Moin @Glasfaser wie hast Du die Akkulaufzeit umgerechnet, kenn mich mit js leider nicht aus

                          Gruß Ralf
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                            Moin @Glasfaser wie hast Du die Akkulaufzeit umgerechnet, kenn mich mit js leider nicht aus

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                            @Nashra

                            Kann ich dir auch beantworten. Ist ganz easy mit blockly. So bekommst du min.

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                              @saeft_2003
                              Man kann den nut-Server sicher auch in einer VM laufen lassen. Ich habe ihn aber direkt in der proxmox-Maschine installiert. Dann spart man sich mögliche Probleme mit dem Durchschleifen des USB-Ports etc.

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                              @lonsimbt sagte in Frage zu USV:

                              Ich habe ihn aber direkt in der proxmox-Maschine installiert

                              Wo macht man das in proxmox genau?

                              Grüße Andreas

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                              • W weimaraner

                                @lonsimbt sagte in Frage zu USV:

                                Ich habe ihn aber direkt in der proxmox-Maschine installiert

                                Wo macht man das in proxmox genau?

                                Grüße Andreas

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                                @weimaraner proxmox ist ja auch nur ein linux server - über terminal console apt install ....

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                                • W weimaraner

                                  @lonsimbt sagte in Frage zu USV:

                                  Ich habe ihn aber direkt in der proxmox-Maschine installiert

                                  Wo macht man das in proxmox genau?

                                  Grüße Andreas

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                                  @weimaraner
                                  Wie @liv-in-sky schreibt entweder per ssh auf dem proxmox-Server einloggen oder über das WebUI auf den Server-Knoten gehen und da die Shell aufrufen. Dort via apt install ... den benötigten Pakete installieren.

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                                  • GlasfaserG Glasfaser

                                    @Nashra

                                    Widget , wurde oben angefügt !

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                                    @Glasfaser sagte in Frage zu USV:

                                    @Nashra

                                    Widget , wurde oben angefügt !

                                    Moin.
                                    Ich habe das Widget importiert und passe es gerade an meine USV an.
                                    Da fiel mir folgender Eintrag für den Hintergrund der Batterieladungsanzeige auf:

                                    {b:nut.0.status.charging;b=="true" ? "green" : "-webkit-linear-gradient(-45deg, #272727 0%,#090909 100%)"}
                                    

                                    Binding Funktionen sind mir klar, aber magst du mir erklären, was es mit dem "-webkit-linear-gradient" auf sich hat?
                                    Danke.

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                                    • S saeft_2003

                                      @Nashra

                                      Kann ich dir auch beantworten. Ist ganz easy mit blockly. So bekommst du min.

                                      2C61E3DB-C899-4C4D-BF52-983860C37253.jpeg

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                                      @saeft_2003 sagte in Frage zu USV:

                                      @Nashra

                                      Kann ich dir auch beantworten. Ist ganz easy mit blockly. So bekommst du min.

                                      2C61E3DB-C899-4C4D-BF52-983860C37253.jpeg

                                      Probleme war eigentlich nur wodurch geteilt wird, Blockly hatte ich schon versucht.
                                      Aber trotzdem Danke :+1:

                                      Gruß Ralf
                                      Mir egal, wer Dein Vater ist! Wenn ich hier angel, wird nicht übers Wasser gelaufen!!

                                      Benutzt das Voting rechts unten im Beitrag wenn er euch geholfen hat.

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                                      • RöstkartoffelR Röstkartoffel

                                        @Glasfaser sagte in Frage zu USV:

                                        @Nashra

                                        Widget , wurde oben angefügt !

                                        Moin.
                                        Ich habe das Widget importiert und passe es gerade an meine USV an.
                                        Da fiel mir folgender Eintrag für den Hintergrund der Batterieladungsanzeige auf:

                                        {b:nut.0.status.charging;b=="true" ? "green" : "-webkit-linear-gradient(-45deg, #272727 0%,#090909 100%)"}
                                        

                                        Binding Funktionen sind mir klar, aber magst du mir erklären, was es mit dem "-webkit-linear-gradient" auf sich hat?
                                        Danke.

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                                        @Röstkartoffel sagte in Frage zu USV:

                                        {b:nut.0.status.charging;b=="true" ? "green" : "-webkit-linear-gradient(-45deg, #272727 0%,#090909 100%)"}
                                        Binding Funktionen sind mir klar, aber magst du mir erklären, was es mit dem "-webkit-linear-gradient" auf sich hat?

                                        Das ist : CSS Gradient • Verlauf als Hintergrundbild

                                        Die anderen Widget sind auch so im Background eingestellt .

                                        -webkit-linear-gradient(-45deg, #272727 0%,#090909 100%)
                                        

                                        1.JPG

                                        Als Beispiel :

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                                        -webkit-linear-gradient(-45deg, #6584c2 0%,#090909 100%)
                                        

                                        2.JPG

                                        -webkit-linear-gradient(-45deg, #6584c2 0%,#faf334 100%)
                                        

                                        1.JPG

                                        -webkit-linear-gradient(-45deg, #faf334 0%,#948fdb 55%)
                                        

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                                        • GlasfaserG Glasfaser

                                          @saeft_2003

                                          Sieht dann in VIS so aus::

                                          1.JPG

                                          Widget:

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                                          Darf ich auch zur USV eine Frage stellen die jetzt mit dem Problem nicht unbedingt etwas zu tun hat?

                                          Ich überlege seit längerem mir ebenfalls eine USV zuzulegen.
                                          Allerdings bin ich immer wieder über den Stromverbrauch gestolpert.
                                          Wieviel Stom verbraucht die USV selbst?
                                          Mein NUC verbraucht recht sparsame 9 W im Dauerbetrieb. Wenn ich den jetzt an eine USV hänge die selbst 8 - 10 W eigenverbrauch hat würde ich ja den Stromverbrauch verdoppeln.
                                          Oder sind die 8-10 W die ich immer wieder finde kein realer Wert?
                                          Hat das schon jemand von euch nachgemessen und bei welcher USV genau?

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