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[André Koschnik]

@homoran

OK muss ich das beheben?wenn ja wie?

und

wieso gibt es keinen port der auf 5432 hört?
ich komme mit dem PG admin von anderen rechnern an die db

und kann ich das backfile der postgres per pg admin einspielen.
Das SQL Script was sich darin verbirgt kann ich nicht im PG admin ausführen.

danke schon mal für eure unterstützung

[Homoran]

@andré-koschnik sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

muss ich das beheben?wenn ja wie?

@thomas-braun sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

@andré-koschnik sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

die sind aber nach einem neustart wieder weg oder?

Sollte...
Oder

sudo umount /opt/iobroker/backups

@andré-koschnik sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

wieso gibt es keinen port der auf 5432 hört?
ich komme mit dem PG admin von anderen rechnern an die db
und kann ich das backfile der postgres per pg admin einspielen.
Das SQL Script was sich darin verbirgt kann ich nicht im PG admin ausführen.

das hat doch nichts mit iobroker zu tun!
oder?

[André Koschnik]

nein sorry,

dachte nur weil die backup node für die postges DB nicht funktioniert

[Homoran]

@andré-koschnik sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

weil die backup node für die postges DB nicht funktioniert

???

was hat das mit Backitup zu tun?

[André Koschnik]

@homoran

in der ssh konsole kann ich mich verbinden

sudo psql --host=localhost --port=5432 --username=iobroker --password --dbname=anko_iobroker_v1

Password:

psql (13.12 (Debian 13.12-1.pgdg120+1))
SSL connection (protocol: TLSv1.3, cipher: TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384, bits: 256, compression: off)
Type "help" for help. 

anko_iobroker_v1=# \q

wieso mach es backitup nicht

[André Koschnik]

@andré-koschnik

egal ihr hab mir schon weitergeholfen.
vielen dank dafür.

[Homoran]

@andré-koschnik sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

wieso mach es backitup nicht

ist das so?

wie sieht denn ein debug-log vom mount-Versuch von backitup aus?

[André Koschnik]

@homoran

wie gesagt... bin ein mausschubser.
hätte gedacht wenn ich das per ssh kann sollte der adapter das auch können

[Homoran]

@andré-koschnik sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

bin ein mausschubser.

und ein Fotograf!

der Fehler steht da, aber aus Bildern kann ich nicht zitieren.

Außerdrm ist das nicht das debug-log von backitup

https://forum.iobroker.net/topic/51555/hinweise-für-gute-forenbeiträge/1

[André Koschnik]

@homoran

backitup.0
	2023-11-09 13:54:13.412	error	[pgsql] Is the server running on that host and accepting TCP/IP connections?
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 13:54:13.407	error	[pgsql] pg_dump: error: connection to database "anko_iobroker_v1" failed: connection to server at "192.168.100.104", port 5432 failed: Connection refused
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 13:53:56.020	error	[pgsql] postgresql Restore not completed
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 13:53:56.015	error	[pgsql] Error: EPERM: operation not permitted, utime '/opt/iobroker/backups/pgsql_restore_backupiobroker.sql'

[Homoran]

@andré-koschnik sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

@homoran

backitup.0
	2023-11-09 13:54:13.412	error	[pgsql] Is the server running on that host and accepting TCP/IP connections?
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 13:54:13.407	error	[pgsql] pg_dump: error: connection to database "anko_iobroker_v1" failed: connection to server at "192.168.100.104", port 5432 failed: Connection refused
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 13:53:56.020	error	[pgsql] postgresql Restore not completed
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 13:53:56.015	error	[pgsql] Error: EPERM: operation not permitted, utime '/opt/iobroker/backups/pgsql_restore_backupiobroker.sql'

da ist kein debug-log!

https://forum.iobroker.net/topic/51555/hinweise-für-gute-forenbeiträge/1

LESEN!

[Homoran]

@homoran sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

connection to server at "192.168.100.104", port 5432 failed: Connection refused

was ist das für eine IP?

[Thomas Braun]

@andré-koschnik sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

EPERM: operation not permitted

Dem user 'iobroker' fehlen die Mittel / die Rechte dazu.

Mit sudo psql bulldoozerst du da mit root durch die Gegend.

[André Koschnik]

@homoran
das ist der localhost.

hab auch mal mit der ip versucht. weil sol komme ich auch von extern

[Homoran]

@andré-koschnik sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

das ist der localhost.

localhost ist 127.0.0.1

also: wo kommt diese IP her?

[André Koschnik]

@thomas-braun

im pg admin habe ich den user zum db owner gemacht.
was brauch er noch

[André Koschnik]

@homoran

backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:26.207	debug	[pgsql] postgresql Restore completed successfully
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:26.197	error	[pgsql] Is the server running on that host and accepting TCP/IP connections?
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:26.195	error	[pgsql] pg_dump: error: connection to database "anko_iobroker_v1" failed: connection to server at "192.168.100.104", port 5432 failed: Connection refused
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:21.988	debug	[pgsql] Start postgresql Restore ...
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:12.557	error	Error: Command failed: sudo mount -t cifs -o username=iobroker,password=****,domain=leevan.de,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 //192.168.100.2/share/ioBrokerbackupDir /opt/iobroker/backupsmount error(16): Device or resource busyRefer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs) and kernel log messages (dmesg)
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:12.498	debug	cifs-mount command: "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=iobroker,password=****,domain=leevan.de,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 //192.168.100.2share/ioBrokerbackupDir /opt/iobroker/backups"
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:12.498	debug	first mount attempt with smb option failed. try next mount attempt without smb option ...
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:12.464	debug	Backup list be read ...
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:12.451	debug	cifs-mount command: "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=iobroker,password=****,domain=leevan.de,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,vers=1.0 //192.168.100.2share/ioBrokerbackupDir /opt/iobroker/backups"
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:12.450	debug	noserverino option: false
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:02.502	error	[pgsql] postgresql Restore not completed
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:05:02.499	error	[pgsql] Error: EPERM: operation not permitted, utime '/opt/iobroker/backups/pgsql_restore_backupiobroker.sql'
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:58.928	debug	[pgsql] Start postgresql Restore ...
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:48.623	debug	mount successfully completed
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:48.096	debug	Backup list be read ...
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:48.085	debug	cifs-mount command: "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=iobroker,password=****,domain=leevan.de,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,vers=1.0 //192.168.100.2share/ioBrokerbackupDir /opt/iobroker/backups"
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:48.084	debug	noserverino option: false
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:44.139	debug	The local storage check was completed successfully. On the host "iobroker" are currently 231995 MB free space available!
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.778	debug	detect last backup file: iobroker_2023_10_30-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.777	debug	detect backup file 29 from NAS: iobroker_2023_10_30-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.777	debug	detect backup file 28 from NAS: iobroker_2023_10_23-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.776	debug	detect backup file 27 from NAS: iobroker_2023_10_16-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.776	debug	detect backup file 26 from NAS: iobroker_2023_10_09-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.775	debug	detect backup file 25 from NAS: iobroker_2023_10_02-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.775	debug	detect backup file 24 from NAS: iobroker_2023_09_25-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.775	debug	detect backup file 23 from NAS: iobroker_2023_09_18-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.775	debug	detect backup file 22 from NAS: iobroker_2023_09_11-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.774	debug	detect backup file 21 from NAS: iobroker_2023_09_04-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.774	debug	detect backup file 20 from NAS: iobroker_2023_08_28-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.774	debug	detect backup file 19 from NAS: iobroker_2023_08_21-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.774	debug	detect backup file 18 from NAS: iobroker_2023_08_14-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.773	debug	detect backup file 17 from NAS: iobroker_2023_08_07-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.773	debug	detect backup file 16 from NAS: iobroker_2023_07_31-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.773	debug	detect backup file 15 from NAS: iobroker_2023_07_24-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.773	debug	detect backup file 14 from NAS: iobroker_2023_07_17-06_17_58_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.772	debug	detect backup file 13 from NAS: iobroker_2023_07_10-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.772	debug	detect backup file 12 from NAS: iobroker_2023_07_03-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.772	debug	detect backup file 11 from NAS: iobroker_2023_06_26-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.771	debug	detect backup file 10 from NAS: iobroker_2023_06_19-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.770	debug	detect backup file 9 from NAS: iobroker_2023_06_12-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.770	debug	detect backup file 8 from NAS: iobroker_2023_06_05-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.770	debug	detect backup file 7 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_29-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.770	debug	detect backup file 6 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_26-13_56_02_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.769	debug	detect backup file 5 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_22-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.769	debug	detect backup file 4 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_15-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.768	debug	detect backup file 3 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_08-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.767	debug	detect backup file 2 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_01-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:25.766	debug	detect backup file 1 from NAS: iobroker_2023_04_24-17_29_54_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:23.736	debug	mount successfully completed
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:23.037	debug	cifs-mount command: "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=iobroker,password=****,domain=leevan.de,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,vers=1.0 //192.168.100.2share/ioBrokerbackupDir /opt/iobroker/backups"
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:23.036	debug	noserverino option: false
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:22.937	info	[iobroker] backup will be activated at 02:40 every 1 day(s)
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:22.909	debug	Backitup has recognized a linux system
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:22.849	info	starting. Version 2.8.7 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.backitup, node: v18.18.2, js-controller: 5.0.12
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:22.314	debug	Plugin sentry Initialize Plugin (enabled=true)
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:22.161	debug	States connected to redis: 127.0.0.1:9000
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:22.075	debug	States create User PubSub Client
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:22.073	debug	States create System PubSub Client
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:22.047	debug	Redis States: Use Redis connection: 127.0.0.1:9000
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:21.651	debug	Objects connected to redis: 127.0.0.1:9001
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:21.448	debug	Objects client initialize lua scripts
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:21.318	debug	Objects create User PubSub Client
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:21.316	debug	Objects create System PubSub Client
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:21.261	debug	Objects client ready ... initialize now
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:21.189	debug	Redis Objects: Use Redis connection: 127.0.0.1:9001
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:17.000	info	terminating
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:16.497	info	Terminated (ADAPTER_REQUESTED_TERMINATION): Without reason
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:16.494	info	terminating
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:16.490	info	cleaned everything up...
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:04:16.486	info	Got terminate signal TERMINATE_YOURSELF

MOD-EDIT: Code-tags korrigiert!

[Homoran]

@andré-koschnik sagte in Backup wiederherstellen:

and: "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=iobroker,password=****,domain=leevan.de,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,vers=1.0 //192.168.100.2share/ioBrokerbackupDir /opt/iobroker/backups"

was ist denn das für eine Konfiguration?

[André Koschnik]

@homoran

so besser

backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:43.083	debug	umount successfully completed
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:42.042	debug	[pgsql] postgresql Restore completed successfully
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:42.005	error	[pgsql] Is the server running on that host and accepting TCP/IP connections?
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:42.004	error	[pgsql] pg_dump: error: connection to database "anko_iobroker_v1" failed: connection to server at "192.168.100.104", port 5432 failed: Connection refused
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:41.033	debug	mount activ... umount in 2 Seconds!!
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:38.406	debug	[pgsql] Start postgresql Restore ...
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.875	debug	detect last backup file: iobroker_2023_10_30-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.872	debug	detect backup file 29 from NAS: iobroker_2023_10_30-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.871	debug	detect backup file 28 from NAS: iobroker_2023_10_23-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.870	debug	detect backup file 27 from NAS: iobroker_2023_10_16-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.870	debug	detect backup file 26 from NAS: iobroker_2023_10_09-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.869	debug	detect backup file 25 from NAS: iobroker_2023_10_02-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.868	debug	detect backup file 24 from NAS: iobroker_2023_09_25-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.868	debug	detect backup file 23 from NAS: iobroker_2023_09_18-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.867	debug	detect backup file 22 from NAS: iobroker_2023_09_11-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.866	debug	detect backup file 21 from NAS: iobroker_2023_09_04-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.864	debug	detect backup file 20 from NAS: iobroker_2023_08_28-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.864	debug	detect backup file 19 from NAS: iobroker_2023_08_21-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.863	debug	detect backup file 18 from NAS: iobroker_2023_08_14-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.862	debug	detect backup file 17 from NAS: iobroker_2023_08_07-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.861	debug	detect backup file 16 from NAS: iobroker_2023_07_31-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.861	debug	detect backup file 15 from NAS: iobroker_2023_07_24-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.860	debug	detect backup file 14 from NAS: iobroker_2023_07_17-06_17_58_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.859	debug	detect backup file 13 from NAS: iobroker_2023_07_10-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.858	debug	detect backup file 12 from NAS: iobroker_2023_07_03-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.857	debug	detect backup file 11 from NAS: iobroker_2023_06_26-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.855	debug	detect backup file 10 from NAS: iobroker_2023_06_19-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.854	debug	detect backup file 9 from NAS: iobroker_2023_06_12-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.854	debug	detect backup file 8 from NAS: iobroker_2023_06_05-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.853	debug	detect backup file 7 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_29-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.852	debug	detect backup file 6 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_26-13_56_02_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.851	debug	detect backup file 5 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_22-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.850	debug	detect backup file 4 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_15-02_40_21_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.850	debug	detect backup file 3 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_08-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.849	debug	detect backup file 2 from NAS: iobroker_2023_05_01-02_40_20_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:33.847	debug	detect backup file 1 from NAS: iobroker_2023_04_24-17_29_54_backupiobroker.tar.gz
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:32.169	debug	mount successfully completed
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:31.852	debug	cifs-mount command: "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=gb,password=****,domain=leevan.de,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 //192.168.100.2/share/ioBrokerbackupDir/ /opt/iobroker/backups"
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:31.851	debug	first mount attempt with smb option failed. try next mount attempt without smb option ...
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:31.813	debug	mount successfully completed
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:31.812	debug	Backup list be read ...
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:31.797	debug	cifs-mount command: "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=gb,password=****,domain=leevan.de,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,vers=1.0 //192.168.100.2/share/ioBrokerbackupDir/ /opt/iobroker/backups"
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:31.796	debug	noserverino option: false
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:31.107	debug	cifs-mount command: "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=gb,password=****,domain=leevan.de,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,vers=1.0 //192.168.100.2/share/ioBrokerbackupDir/ /opt/iobroker/backups"
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:31.107	debug	noserverino option: false
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:31.019	info	[iobroker] backup will be activated at 02:40 every 1 day(s)
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:30.992	debug	Backitup has recognized a linux system
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:30.926	info	starting. Version 2.8.7 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.backitup, node: v18.18.2, js-controller: 5.0.12
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:30.420	debug	Plugin sentry Initialize Plugin (enabled=true)
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:30.265	debug	States connected to redis: 127.0.0.1:9000
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:30.171	debug	States create User PubSub Client
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:30.170	debug	States create System PubSub Client
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:30.142	debug	Redis States: Use Redis connection: 127.0.0.1:9000
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:30.075	debug	Objects connected to redis: 127.0.0.1:9001
backitup.0
	2023-11-09 14:21:30.066	debug	Objects client initialize lua scripts

[Homoran]

@andré-koschnik kaum macht man es richtig schon klappt es.

aber vorher auf alles andere schimpfen :rage; statt die notwendigen Infos zu Beginn beizubringen!

Lesen
https://forum.iobroker.net/topic/51555/hinweise-für-gute-forenbeiträge/1

beim nächsten mal auswendig lernen!