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    • Thomas Braun
      Thomas Braun Most Active @Humidor last edited by Thomas Braun

      @humidor
      Ist die Zahl in der zweiten Spalte. Aber versuch mal

      sudo killall -u iobroker
      
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      • Humidor
        Humidor @Thomas Braun last edited by

        @thomas-braun ach, so einfach 😉
        ja hat sich geändert, werden diese bei jedem Neustart neu vergeben?

        pi@ioBrokerPV:/ $ ps auxww|grep io
        root        11  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/0]
        root        14  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/1]
        root        19  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/2]
        root        24  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/3]
        root        55  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [blkcg_punt_bio]
        root        57  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [rpciod]
        root        59  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [xprtiod]
        root        61  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [nfsiod]
        root        69  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [DWC Notificatio]
        avahi      330  0.0  0.1   6156  2380 ?        Ss   Feb15   2:31 avahi-daemon: running [ioBrokerPV.local]
        message+   336  0.0  0.1   6556  2352 ?        Ss   Feb15   2:56 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation --syslog-only
        grafana    552  0.0  1.4 972256 28248 ?        Ssl  Feb15   4:08 /usr/sbin/grafana-server --config=/etc/grafana/grafana.ini --pidfile=/var/run/grafana/grafana-server.pid --packaging=deb cfg:default.paths.logs=/var/log/grafana cfg:default.paths.data=/var/lib/grafana cfg:default.paths.plugins=/var/lib/grafana/plugins cfg:default.paths.provisioning=/etc/grafana/provisioning
        root      1393  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [cifsiod]
        iobroker  2353 10.1  5.1 199400 98856 ?        Ssl  08:12   6:33 iobroker.js-controller
        iobroker  2372  0.4  3.9 180120 75864 ?        Sl   08:12   0:15 io.admin.0
        iobroker  2387  0.1  2.1 145436 42272 ?        Sl   08:12   0:07 io.discovery.0
        iobroker  2402  0.2  2.6 154296 50784 ?        Sl   08:12   0:09 io.info.0
        iobroker  2508  2.6  2.6 154444 51568 ?        Sl   08:12   1:41 io.kecontact.0
        iobroker  2929  0.3  2.5 153156 49344 ?        Sl   08:12   0:14 io.mqtt.0
        iobroker  2946  4.8  3.3 165820 64328 ?        Sl   08:12   3:04 io.web.0
        iobroker  2961  3.1  5.1 202056 99424 ?        Sl   08:13   2:01 io.javascript.0
        iobroker  2976  0.7  2.9 158628 56632 ?        Sl   08:13   0:28 io.history.0
        iobroker  2993  0.2  2.4 152948 47748 ?        Sl   08:13   0:09 io.cloud.0
        iobroker  3008  0.2  2.7 156016 52164 ?        Sl   08:13   0:08 io.iot.0
        iobroker  3033  0.2  2.6 154544 51572 ?        Sl   08:13   0:10 io.telegram.0
        iobroker  3048  0.2  3.5 171136 68572 ?        Sl   08:13   0:10 io.backitup.0
        iobroker  3087  0.8  3.4 167504 65568 ?        Sl   08:13   0:34 io.shelly.0
        iobroker  3103  1.2  3.1 163500 60424 ?        Sl   08:13   0:47 io.influxdb.0
        iobroker  3123  0.1  2.1 143604 40480 ?        Sl   08:13   0:06 io.vis-inventwo.0
        iobroker  3144  0.5  2.5 151640 48160 ?        Sl   08:13   0:22 io.modbus.0
        iobroker  3159  0.5  2.5 152924 49848 ?        Sl   08:13   0:22 io.modbus.1
        iobroker  7972 82.0  2.5 109464 48176 ?        Sl   09:17   0:00 /usr/bin/node /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.history/lib/getHistory.js {"id":"0_userdata.0.AMIS.Power","path":"/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/history/","start":1613679423337,"end":1613722623337,"step":null,"count":300,"from":false,"ack":false,"q":false,"aggregate":"minmax","limit":2000,"addId":false,"sessionId":21}
        pi        7980  0.0  0.0   7360   524 pts/0    R+   09:17   0:00 grep --color=auto io
        iobroker  7981  0.0  0.8  79040 16400 ?        Rl   09:17   0:00 /usr/bin/node /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.history/lib/getHistory.js {"id":"0_userdata.0.AMIS.PVPower","path":"/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/history/","start":1613679423337,"end":1613722623337,"step":null,"count":300,"from":false,"ack":false,"q":false,"aggregate":"minmax","limit":2000,"addId":false,"sessionId":21}
        
        dh ich muss 2353 abdrehen?
        
        
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        • Thomas Braun
          Thomas Braun Most Active @Humidor last edited by

          @humidor
          Logisch. Neuer Prozess = Neue PID (process ID)

          Hau mal alles vom iobroker weg:

          sudo killall -u iobroker
          
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          • UncleSam
            UncleSam Developer @Humidor last edited by

            @humidor Du bist aber nicht etwa unter Docker?

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            • wendy2702
              wendy2702 @UncleSam last edited by

              @unclesam Bei dem Prompt eher nicht, oder:

              @humidor sagte in (Frage) ioBroker stop - stoppt ioBroker nicht ?:

              pi@ioBrokerPV:

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              • Humidor
                Humidor @wendy2702 last edited by

                @wendy2702 @UncleSam @Thomas-Braun
                Nein, kein Docker, std. Raspi4

                sudo killall -u iobroker - stoppt es auch nicht.

                auch der direkte kill macht einen restart. Cronjob?

                pi@ioBrokerPV:/ $ ps auxww|grep io
                root        11  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/0]
                root        14  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/1]
                root        19  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/2]
                root        24  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/3]
                root        55  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [blkcg_punt_bio]
                root        57  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [rpciod]
                root        59  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [xprtiod]
                root        61  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [nfsiod]
                root        69  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [DWC Notificatio]
                avahi      330  0.0  0.1   6156  2416 ?        Ss   Feb15   2:31 avahi-daemon: running [ioBrokerPV.local]
                message+   336  0.0  0.1   6556  2352 ?        Ss   Feb15   2:56 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation --syslog-only
                grafana    552  0.0  1.5 972256 28992 ?        Ssl  Feb15   4:08 /usr/sbin/grafana-server --config=/etc/grafana/grafana.ini --pidfile=/var/run/grafana/grafana-server.pid --packaging=deb cfg:default.paths.logs=/var/log/grafana cfg:default.paths.data=/var/lib/grafana cfg:default.paths.plugins=/var/lib/grafana/plugins cfg:default.paths.provisioning=/etc/grafana/provisioning
                root      1393  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [cifsiod]
                iobroker 10169 24.0  4.7 190896 90444 ?        Ssl  09:29   0:23 iobroker.js-controller
                iobroker 10187  6.2  3.1 162348 61096 ?        Sl   09:29   0:05 io.admin.0
                iobroker 10204  1.7  2.5 146972 49920 ?        Sl   09:29   0:01 io.discovery.0
                iobroker 10219  4.5  2.3 149000 45024 ?        Sl   09:29   0:03 io.info.0
                iobroker 10325  7.9  2.2 145484 42332 ?        Sl   09:29   0:06 io.kecontact.0
                iobroker 10743  2.7  2.6 149068 51020 ?        Sl   09:30   0:02 io.mqtt.0
                iobroker 10758 11.9  2.6 152696 51032 ?        Sl   09:30   0:08 io.web.0
                iobroker 10776 12.3  4.7 201520 90592 ?        Sl   09:30   0:08 io.javascript.0
                iobroker 10791  6.6  2.2 146660 43572 ?        Sl   09:30   0:04 io.history.0
                iobroker 10827  3.5  2.9 148616 56436 ?        Sl   09:30   0:02 io.cloud.0
                iobroker 10886  4.7  2.6 154880 50608 ?        Sl   09:30   0:02 io.iot.0
                iobroker 10901  5.4  2.4 152548 46972 ?        Sl   09:30   0:03 io.telegram.0
                iobroker 10960  9.0  3.4 170008 65676 ?        Sl   09:30   0:04 io.backitup.0
                iobroker 11039  8.3  2.4 150824 47296 ?        Sl   09:30   0:03 io.shelly.0
                iobroker 11098  9.6  2.5 153880 48488 ?        Sl   09:30   0:03 io.influxdb.0
                iobroker 11123  4.0  2.4 135576 47492 ?        Sl   09:30   0:01 io.vis-inventwo.0
                iobroker 11179  6.9  2.6 148228 51816 ?        Sl   09:30   0:02 io.modbus.0
                iobroker 11215  7.7  2.7 147260 52200 ?        Sl   09:30   0:02 io.modbus.1
                iobroker 11405  0.0  2.1 100476 41412 ?        Rl   09:31   0:00 /usr/bin/node /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.history/lib/getHistory.js {"id":"0_userdata.0.AMIS.Power","path":"/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/history/","start":1613680279818,"end":1613723479818,"step":null,"count":300,"from":false,"ack":false,"q":false,"aggregate":"minmax","limit":2000,"addId":false,"sessionId":48}
                pi       11414  0.0  0.0   7360   476 pts/0    S+   09:31   0:00 grep --color=auto io
                pi@ioBrokerPV:/ $ sudo -u iobroker kill -9 10169
                pi@ioBrokerPV:/ $ ps auxww|grep io
                root        11  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/0]
                root        14  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/1]
                root        19  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/2]
                root        24  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb15   0:00 [migration/3]
                root        55  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [blkcg_punt_bio]
                root        57  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [rpciod]
                root        59  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [xprtiod]
                root        61  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [nfsiod]
                root        69  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [DWC Notificatio]
                avahi      330  0.0  0.1   6156  2416 ?        Ss   Feb15   2:31 avahi-daemon: running [ioBrokerPV.local]
                message+   336  0.0  0.1   6556  2352 ?        Ss   Feb15   2:56 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation --syslog-only
                grafana    552  0.0  1.5 972256 28992 ?        Ssl  Feb15   4:08 /usr/sbin/grafana-server --config=/etc/grafana/grafana.ini --pidfile=/var/run/grafana/grafana-server.pid --packaging=deb cfg:default.paths.logs=/var/log/grafana cfg:default.paths.data=/var/lib/grafana cfg:default.paths.plugins=/var/lib/grafana/plugins cfg:default.paths.provisioning=/etc/grafana/provisioning
                root      1393  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        I<   Feb15   0:00 [cifsiod]
                iobroker 11502 29.1  7.1 222320 137948 ?       Ssl  09:31   0:16 iobroker.js-controller
                iobroker 11520  8.9  5.3 192728 102004 ?       Sl   09:31   0:05 io.admin.0
                iobroker 11535  2.9  2.5 145960 49744 ?        Sl   09:31   0:01 io.discovery.0
                iobroker 11552  8.0  2.3 148488 45376 ?        Sl   09:31   0:03 io.info.0
                iobroker 11671 12.0  2.1 144616 41300 ?        Sl   09:31   0:05 io.kecontact.0
                iobroker 12079  4.9  3.0 148512 57980 ?        Sl   09:32   0:01 io.mqtt.0
                iobroker 12094 16.2  4.1 167072 79320 ?        Sl   09:32   0:05 io.web.0
                iobroker 12109 18.8  5.1 208616 98716 ?        Sl   09:32   0:06 io.javascript.0
                iobroker 12126 11.2  2.2 148160 42532 ?        Sl   09:32   0:03 io.history.0
                iobroker 12141  8.8  2.9 148616 56032 ?        Sl   09:32   0:02 io.cloud.0
                iobroker 12172 13.1  2.8 152312 54424 ?        Sl   09:32   0:02 io.iot.0
                iobroker 12194 14.3  2.9 152544 56656 ?        Sl   09:32   0:02 io.telegram.0
                iobroker 12209 33.1  4.1 168396 79852 ?        Sl   09:32   0:03 io.backitup.0
                iobroker 12269 56.5  3.0 150316 59316 ?        Sl   09:32   0:02 io.shelly.0
                iobroker 12285  0.0  1.3  83796 25496 ?        Rl   09:32   0:00 /usr/bin/node /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.influxdb/main.js 0 info
                pi       12293  0.0  0.0   7360   512 pts/0    S+   09:32   0:00 grep --color=auto io
                
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                • arteck
                  arteck Developer Most Active last edited by

                  da gabs mal ein BUG dass der iobroker immer neu gestartet wurde

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                  • Thomas Braun
                    Thomas Braun Most Active @Humidor last edited by

                    @humidor

                    sudo systemctl stop iobroker
                    

                    Dann muss aber Ruhe sein...

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                    • Humidor
                      Humidor @Thomas Braun last edited by

                      @thomas-braun sagte in (Frage) ioBroker stop - stoppt ioBroker nicht ?:

                      sudo systemctl stop iobroker

                      gerade probiert, auch damit macht er einen Restart.

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                      • Humidor
                        Humidor @Humidor last edited by

                        keine Idee mehr?

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                        • Thomas Braun
                          Thomas Braun Most Active @Humidor last edited by

                          @humidor

                          sudo systemctl disable iobroker
                          

                          Dann einmal durchstarten.

                          sudo reboot
                          

                          Dann schauen ob da noch irgendwelche ioBroker-Prozesse laufen. Eigentlich sollte da dann nichts mehr laufen.

                          iobroker update
                          iobroker upgrade self
                          iobroker upgrade
                          iobroker fix
                          iobroker start
                          
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                          • Humidor
                            Humidor @Thomas Braun last edited by

                            @thomas-braun tja, ich verstehe es nicht, nein er stoppt auch damit nicht.

                            Bildschirmfoto 2021-02-26 um 11.12.23.png Bildschirmfoto 2021-02-26 um 11.12.25.png

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                            • UncleSam
                              UncleSam Developer @Humidor last edited by

                              @humidor Kannst du mal pstree verwenden? Ich möchte wissen, wer der Vater von dem Prozess ist. Bitte ohne irgendeingrep.

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                              • Humidor
                                Humidor @UncleSam last edited by Humidor

                                @unclesam sagte in (Frage) ioBroker stop - stoppt ioBroker nicht ?:

                                pstree

                                Morgen!

                                pi@ioBrokerPV:~ $ pstree
                                systemd─┬─agetty
                                        ├─alsactl
                                        ├─avahi-daemon───avahi-daemon
                                        ├─bluetoothd
                                        ├─cron
                                        ├─dbus-daemon
                                        ├─dhcpcd
                                        ├─grafana-server───13*[{grafana-server}]
                                        ├─hciattach
                                        ├─influxd───14*[{influxd}]
                                        ├─iobroker.js-con─┬─io.admin.0───10*[{io.admin.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.backitup.0───10*[{io.backitup.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.cloud.0───10*[{io.cloud.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.discovery.0───10*[{io.discovery.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.history.0───10*[{io.history.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.influxdb.0───10*[{io.influxdb.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.info.0───10*[{io.info.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.iot.0───10*[{io.iot.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.javascript.0───10*[{io.javascript.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.kecontact.0───10*[{io.kecontact.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.modbus.0───10*[{io.modbus.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.modbus.1───10*[{io.modbus.1}]
                                        │                 ├─io.mqtt.0───10*[{io.mqtt.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.shelly.0───10*[{io.shelly.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.telegram.0───10*[{io.telegram.0}]
                                        │                 ├─io.vis-inventwo───10*[{io.vis-inventwo}]
                                        │                 ├─io.web.0───10*[{io.web.0}]
                                        │                 └─10*[{iobroker.js-con}]
                                        ├─rngd───3*[{rngd}]
                                        ├─rsyslogd───3*[{rsyslogd}]
                                        ├─sleep
                                        ├─sshd───sshd───sshd───bash───pstree
                                        ├─systemd───(sd-pam)
                                        ├─systemd-journal
                                        ├─systemd-logind
                                        ├─systemd-timesyn───{systemd-timesyn}
                                        ├─systemd-udevd
                                        ├─thd
                                        └─2*[wpa_supplicant]
                                
                                
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                                • UncleSam
                                  UncleSam Developer @Humidor last edited by UncleSam

                                  @humidor OK, also es ist definitiv das System selber (systemd), das den Prozess startet. Wie hast du denn ursprünglich ioBroker installiert? Und hast du danach am Aufstartverhalten noch etwas geändert? Und welche Versionen von js-controller und Nodejs hast du?

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                                  • Humidor
                                    Humidor @UncleSam last edited by

                                    @unclesam
                                    soweit ich mich erinnere habe ich nach dieser Anleitung installiert:
                                    https://technikkram.net/blog/2019/07/21/funktioniert-iobroker-auf-neuem-raspberry-pi-4-installieren/

                                    verändert habe ich mW nichts
                                    Node.js
                                    v10.23.2

                                    js 3.1.6

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                                    • Thomas Braun
                                      Thomas Braun Most Active @Humidor last edited by

                                      @humidor

                                      systemctl status iobroker
                                      
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                                      • Humidor
                                        Humidor @Thomas Braun last edited by Humidor

                                        @thomas-braun sagte in (Frage) ioBroker stop - stoppt ioBroker nicht ?:

                                        systemctl status iobroker

                                        pi@ioBrokerPV:~ $ systemctl status iobroker
                                        ● iobroker.service - ioBroker Server
                                           Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/iobroker.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)
                                           Active: active (running) since Fri 2021-02-26 11:10:02 CET; 22h ago
                                             Docs: http://iobroker.net
                                         Main PID: 547 (iobroker.js-con)
                                            Tasks: 198 (limit: 3888)
                                           CGroup: /system.slice/iobroker.service
                                                   ├─  547 iobroker.js-controller
                                                   ├─  645 io.admin.0
                                                   ├─  660 io.discovery.0
                                                   ├─  749 io.kecontact.0
                                                   ├─ 1204 io.mqtt.0
                                                   ├─ 1238 io.javascript.0
                                                   ├─ 1263 io.history.0
                                                   ├─ 1301 io.cloud.0
                                                   ├─ 1316 io.iot.0
                                                   ├─ 1333 io.telegram.0
                                                   ├─ 1348 io.backitup.0
                                                   ├─ 1405 io.shelly.0
                                                   ├─ 1420 io.influxdb.0
                                                   ├─ 1440 io.vis-inventwo.0
                                                   ├─ 1459 io.modbus.0
                                                   ├─ 1474 io.modbus.1
                                                   ├─12854 io.info.0
                                                   └─23930 io.web.0
                                        
                                        Feb 27 09:36:53 ioBrokerPV bash[547]: Send diag info: {"uuid":"767fc1e4-aa98-4c8f-dc46-daccf93cd3a3","language":"de","country":"Austria","hosts":[{"version":"3.1.6","platform":"Javascript/Node.js","type":
                                        Feb 27 09:36:53 ioBrokerPV bash[547]: hash unchanged, use cached sources
                                        Feb 27 09:36:55 ioBrokerPV bash[547]: Cannot send diag info: ESOCKETTIMEDOUT
                                        Feb 27 09:52:28 ioBrokerPV bash[547]: Send diag info: {"uuid":"767fc1e4-aa98-4c8f-dc46-daccf93cd3a3","language":"de","country":"Austria","hosts":[{"version":"3.1.6","platform":"Javascript/Node.js","type":
                                        Feb 27 09:52:28 ioBrokerPV bash[547]: hash unchanged, use cached sources
                                        Feb 27 09:52:30 ioBrokerPV bash[547]: Cannot send diag info: ESOCKETTIMEDOUT
                                        Feb 27 09:53:40 ioBrokerPV bash[547]: Send diag info: {"uuid":"767fc1e4-aa98-4c8f-dc46-daccf93cd3a3","language":"de","country":"Austria","hosts":[{"version":"3.1.6","platform":"Javascript/Node.js","type":
                                        Feb 27 09:53:41 ioBrokerPV bash[547]: Send diag info: {"uuid":"767fc1e4-aa98-4c8f-dc46-daccf93cd3a3","language":"de","country":"Austria","hosts":[{"version":"3.1.6","platform":"Javascript/Node.js","type":
                                        Feb 27 09:53:42 ioBrokerPV bash[547]: hash unchanged, use cached sources
                                        Feb 27 09:53:44 ioBrokerPV bash[547]: Cannot send diag info: ESOCKETTIMEDOUT
                                        lines 1-36/36 (END)
                                        
                                        
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                                        • Humidor
                                          Humidor @Humidor last edited by Humidor

                                          Ich habe zum Test jetzt eine komplett neue und aktuelle Installation von Raspi und ioBroker gemacht, dort kann ich den ioBroker stoppen und starten.

                                          kann ich ein iobroker backup auf den neuen kopieren, wie?

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                                            Thomas Braun Most Active @Humidor last edited by

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                                            sudo systemctl stop iobroker
                                            sudo systemctl disable iobroker
                                            sudo systemctl status iobroker
                                            sudo reboot
                                            

                                            Wenn das nicht funktioniert evtl. noch maskieren.

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