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    • arteck
      arteck Developer Most Active last edited by

      du hampelst da bisse zu viel rum.. vor allem hör auf Ordner zu löschen "nur weil es geht"
      die Abhängigkeiten unterienander in den Paketen kannst du mit deiner logik (löschen vVerzeichniss fertig) nicht auflösen..

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      • OliverIO
        OliverIO last edited by

        @jensen

        Du kannst mal mit

        npm ls puppeteer

        Schauen zu welchem packet das puppeteer noch gehört.
        Es kann durchaus sein, dass ein anderer Adapter das verwendet. Das hat uns aber dann nicht so interessieren.
        Npm organisiert, dass auch mehrere Versionen parallel installiert werden können.

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        • Jensen
          Jensen @arteck last edited by

          @arteck
          Ich lösche keine Ordner mehr, ich habe nur geschaut, was da ist.

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          • Jensen
            Jensen @OliverIO last edited by

            @oliverio
            das ist die Ausgabe

            c:\ioBroker>npm ls puppeteer
            iobroker.inst@3.0.0 c:\ioBroker
            `-- iobroker.puppeteer@0.3.0
              `-- puppeteer@22.15.0
            
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            • OliverIO
              OliverIO @Jensen last edited by

              @jensen

              ok, das hängt direkt an der installation von iobroker und kommt wahrscheinlich von einer deiner
              manuellen versuche puppeteer zu installieren. daher dann auch manuell deinstallieren

              was passiert wenn du jetzt

              npm uninstall puppeteer
              

              eingibst?
              bitte dann auch nochmal
              npm ls puppeteer ausführen

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              • Jensen
                Jensen @OliverIO last edited by Jensen

                @oliverio

                c:\ioBroker>npm uninstall puppeteer
                npm error code EBUSY
                npm error syscall rename
                npm error path c:\ioBroker\node_modules\iobroker.admin
                npm error dest c:\ioBroker\node_modules\.iobroker.admin-FjHuUvU7
                npm error errno -4082
                npm error EBUSY: resource busy or locked, rename 'c:\ioBroker\node_modules\iobroker.admin' -> 'c:\ioBroker\node_modules\.iobroker.admin-FjHuUvU7'
                npm error A complete log of this run can be found in: C:\Users\IpsJensen\AppData\Local\npm-cache\_logs\2024-09-05T11_35_36_427Z-debug-0.log
                
                c:\ioBroker>npm ls puppeteer
                iobroker.inst@3.0.0 c:\ioBroker
                `-- iobroker.puppeteer@0.3.0
                  `-- puppeteer@22.15.0
                
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                • Jensen
                  Jensen @Jensen last edited by

                  @OliverIO
                  mit angehaltenem ioBroker sieht's so aus

                  c:\ioBroker>npm uninstall puppeteer
                  npm warn deprecated dgram@1.0.1: npm is holding this package for security reasons. As it's a core Node module, we will not transfer it over to other users. You may safely remove the package from your dependencies.
                  npm warn deprecated @npmcli/move-file@1.1.2: This functionality has been moved to @npmcli/fs
                  npm warn deprecated inflight@1.0.6: This module is not supported, and leaks memory. Do not use it. Check out lru-cache if you want a good and tested way to coalesce async requests by a key value, which is much more comprehensive and powerful.
                  npm warn deprecated npmlog@5.0.1: This package is no longer supported.
                  npm warn deprecated npmlog@6.0.2: This package is no longer supported.
                  npm warn deprecated rimraf@3.0.2: Rimraf versions prior to v4 are no longer supported
                  npm warn deprecated har-validator@5.1.5: this library is no longer supported
                  npm warn deprecated glob@7.2.3: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                  npm warn deprecated glob@7.2.3: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                  npm warn deprecated glob@8.1.0: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                  npm warn deprecated glob@7.2.3: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                  npm warn deprecated abab@2.0.6: Use your platform's native atob() and btoa() methods instead
                  npm warn deprecated are-we-there-yet@2.0.0: This package is no longer supported.
                  npm warn deprecated are-we-there-yet@3.0.1: This package is no longer supported.
                  npm warn deprecated node-inspect@2.0.0: This module is part of Node.js core and does not need to be installed separately. It is now unmaintained.
                  npm warn deprecated debug@4.1.1: Debug versions >=3.2.0 <3.2.7 || >=4 <4.3.1 have a low-severity ReDos regression when used in a Node.js environment. It is recommended you upgrade to 3.2.7 or 4.3.1. (https://github.com/visionmedia/debug/issues/797)
                  npm warn deprecated debug@4.1.1: Debug versions >=3.2.0 <3.2.7 || >=4 <4.3.1 have a low-severity ReDos regression when used in a Node.js environment. It is recommended you upgrade to 3.2.7 or 4.3.1. (https://github.com/visionmedia/debug/issues/797)
                  npm warn deprecated debug@4.1.1: Debug versions >=3.2.0 <3.2.7 || >=4 <4.3.1 have a low-severity ReDos regression when used in a Node.js environment. It is recommended you upgrade to 3.2.7 or 4.3.1. (https://github.com/visionmedia/debug/issues/797)
                  npm warn deprecated domexception@4.0.0: Use your platform's native DOMException instead
                  npm warn deprecated phantomjs-prebuilt@2.1.16: this package is now deprecated
                  npm warn deprecated gauge@4.0.4: This package is no longer supported.
                  npm warn deprecated gauge@3.0.2: This package is no longer supported.
                  npm warn deprecated uuid@3.4.0: Please upgrade  to version 7 or higher.  Older versions may use Math.random() in certain circumstances, which is known to be problematic.  See https://v8.dev/blog/math-random for details.
                  npm warn deprecated request@2.88.2: request has been deprecated, see https://github.com/request/request/issues/3142
                  npm warn deprecated sinon@15.2.0: 16.1.1
                  
                  changed 1360 packages, and audited 1362 packages in 1m
                  
                  170 packages are looking for funding
                    run `npm fund` for details
                  
                  57 vulnerabilities (6 low, 30 moderate, 20 high, 1 critical)
                  
                  To address issues that do not require attention, run:
                    npm audit fix
                  
                  To address all issues possible (including breaking changes), run:
                    npm audit fix --force
                  
                  Some issues need review, and may require choosing
                  a different dependency.
                  
                  Run `npm audit` for details.
                  
                  
                  c:\ioBroker>npm ls puppeteer
                  iobroker.inst@3.0.0 c:\ioBroker
                  `-- iobroker.puppeteer@0.3.0
                    `-- puppeteer@22.15.0
                  
                  
                  Qix- created this issue in visionmedia/debug

                  closed ReDos Vulnerability Regression Visibility Notice #797

                  Qix- created this issue in visionmedia/debug

                  closed ReDos Vulnerability Regression Visibility Notice #797

                  Qix- created this issue in visionmedia/debug

                  closed ReDos Vulnerability Regression Visibility Notice #797

                  mikeal created this issue in request/request

                  open Request’s Past, Present and Future #3142

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                  • OliverIO
                    OliverIO @Jensen last edited by

                    @jensen

                    ah ok,
                    hab selbst was übersehen.
                    siehst du im iobroker noch den adapter pupeteer?
                    dann dort über die oberfläche den adapter entfernen.

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                    • Jensen
                      Jensen @OliverIO last edited by Jensen

                      @oliverio
                      direkt aus der Adapterseite aufgerufen

                      $ iobroker del puppeteer --custom --debug
                      Delete adapter "puppeteer"
                      host.IpsServerWB Deleting 1 object(s).
                      You might have to delete it yourself!
                      Process exited with code 0
                      

                      dann auf der Console

                      c:\ioBroker>npm ls puppeteer
                      iobroker.inst@3.0.0 c:\ioBroker
                      `-- iobroker.puppeteer@0.3.0
                        `-- puppeteer@22.15.0
                      
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                      • OliverIO
                        OliverIO @Jensen last edited by

                        @jensen

                        ok, dann mal mit gewalt
                        du gehst direkt in das hauptverzeichnis von iobroker
                        auf linux /opt/iobroker
                        auf windows weiß ich nicht genau, aber in diesem verzeichnis muss
                        sich eine datei package.json befinden.

                        in diesem verzeichnis führst du den folgenden befehl aus

                        npm uninstall iobroker.puppeteer
                        

                        und dann wieder den ls befehl und im iobroker in der adapter seite schauen ob der adapter weg ist.

                        wenn das auch nicht richtig funktioniert, dann gebe ich die installation als verloren auf
                        und du musst neu installieren. wahrscheinlich hat sich da was verrannt, was mit den normalen mitteln nicht auflösbar ist.

                        evtl weiß dann noch jemand anderes was.

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                        • Jensen
                          Jensen @OliverIO last edited by Jensen

                          @oliverio

                          c:\ioBroker>npm uninstall iobroker.puppeteer
                          npm warn deprecated dgram@1.0.1: npm is holding this package for security reasons. As it's a core Node module, we will not transfer it over to other users. You may safely remove the package from your dependencies.
                          npm warn deprecated @npmcli/move-file@1.1.2: This functionality has been moved to @npmcli/fs
                          npm warn deprecated inflight@1.0.6: This module is not supported, and leaks memory. Do not use it. Check out lru-cache if you want a good and tested way to coalesce async requests by a key value, which is much more comprehensive and powerful.
                          npm warn deprecated npmlog@5.0.1: This package is no longer supported.
                          npm warn deprecated npmlog@6.0.2: This package is no longer supported.
                          npm warn deprecated rimraf@3.0.2: Rimraf versions prior to v4 are no longer supported
                          npm warn deprecated har-validator@5.1.5: this library is no longer supported
                          npm warn deprecated glob@7.2.3: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                          npm warn deprecated glob@8.1.0: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                          npm warn deprecated glob@7.2.3: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                          npm warn deprecated glob@7.2.3: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                          npm warn deprecated abab@2.0.6: Use your platform's native atob() and btoa() methods instead
                          npm warn deprecated are-we-there-yet@2.0.0: This package is no longer supported.
                          npm warn deprecated are-we-there-yet@3.0.1: This package is no longer supported.
                          npm warn deprecated node-inspect@2.0.0: This module is part of Node.js core and does not need to be installed separately. It is now unmaintained.
                          npm warn deprecated debug@4.1.1: Debug versions >=3.2.0 <3.2.7 || >=4 <4.3.1 have a low-severity ReDos regression when used in a Node.js environment. It is recommended you upgrade to 3.2.7 or 4.3.1. (https://github.com/visionmedia/debug/issues/797)
                          npm warn deprecated debug@4.1.1: Debug versions >=3.2.0 <3.2.7 || >=4 <4.3.1 have a low-severity ReDos regression when used in a Node.js environment. It is recommended you upgrade to 3.2.7 or 4.3.1. (https://github.com/visionmedia/debug/issues/797)
                          npm warn deprecated debug@4.1.1: Debug versions >=3.2.0 <3.2.7 || >=4 <4.3.1 have a low-severity ReDos regression when used in a Node.js environment. It is recommended you upgrade to 3.2.7 or 4.3.1. (https://github.com/visionmedia/debug/issues/797)
                          npm warn deprecated domexception@4.0.0: Use your platform's native DOMException instead
                          npm warn deprecated phantomjs-prebuilt@2.1.16: this package is now deprecated
                          npm warn deprecated gauge@4.0.4: This package is no longer supported.
                          npm warn deprecated gauge@3.0.2: This package is no longer supported.
                          npm warn deprecated uuid@3.4.0: Please upgrade  to version 7 or higher.  Older versions may use Math.random() in certain circumstances, which is known to be problematic.  See https://v8.dev/blog/math-random for details.
                          npm warn deprecated request@2.88.2: request has been deprecated, see https://github.com/request/request/issues/3142
                          npm warn deprecated sinon@15.2.0: 16.1.1
                          
                          added 1 package, removed 64 packages, changed 1296 packages, and audited 1299 packages in 1m
                          
                          165 packages are looking for funding
                            run `npm fund` for details
                          
                          57 vulnerabilities (6 low, 30 moderate, 20 high, 1 critical)
                          
                          To address issues that do not require attention, run:
                            npm audit fix
                          
                          To address all issues possible (including breaking changes), run:
                            npm audit fix --force
                          
                          Some issues need review, and may require choosing
                          a different dependency.
                          
                          Run `npm audit` for details.
                          
                          
                          Qix- created this issue in visionmedia/debug

                          closed ReDos Vulnerability Regression Visibility Notice #797

                          Qix- created this issue in visionmedia/debug

                          closed ReDos Vulnerability Regression Visibility Notice #797

                          Qix- created this issue in visionmedia/debug

                          closed ReDos Vulnerability Regression Visibility Notice #797

                          mikeal created this issue in request/request

                          open Request’s Past, Present and Future #3142

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                          • Jensen
                            Jensen @Jensen last edited by

                            @OliverIO
                            das ist jetzt mal neu

                            c:\ioBroker>npm ls puppeteer
                            iobroker.inst@3.0.0 c:\ioBroker
                            `-- (empty)
                            
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                            • OliverIO
                              OliverIO @Jensen last edited by OliverIO

                              @jensen

                              und ist er in der adapter sicht des iobrokers auch weg?

                              wenn ja, kannst ihn wieder über die adaptersicht des iobrokers wieder installieren
                              und schauen ob alles funktioniert

                              und bitte nur noch die iobroker befehle und die iobroker oberfläche verwenden.
                              npm ist für dich tabu, ausser jemand der sich auskennt sagt es ausdrücklich.
                              dann aber auch immer nur mit vorhergehendem backup

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                              • Jensen
                                Jensen @OliverIO last edited by

                                @oliverio
                                In der Adapteransicht wird er auch nicht mehr als installiert gelistet, sieht alles sehr gut aus.
                                Ich lasse es bis morgen ruhen, damit heute Nacht erst mal das Backup durchläuft.
                                Dann ein neuer Versuch, ohne npm 🙂

                                Danke für die Hilfe und die Geduld mit mir.

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                                • Jensen
                                  Jensen @Jensen last edited by Jensen

                                  Wie versprochen werde ich jetzt alle Schritte dokumentieren, die ich unternehme um den Puppeteer Adapter wieder ins System zu bringen.

                                  Adapter installieren
                                  Eigentlich denke ich, man sollte über die Adapterseite jeden Adapter bei laufendem System installieren können. Der Versuch, den Puppeteer Adapter zu installieren gibt mir folgende Rückmeldung:

                                  $ iobroker add puppeteer auto --host IpsServerWB --debug
                                  NPM version: 10.8.2
                                  Installing iobroker.puppeteer@0.3.0... (System call)
                                  npm error code EBUSY
                                  npm error A complete log of this run can be found in: C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local\npm-cache\_logs\2024-09-06T05_46_44_817Z-debug-0.log
                                  host.IpsServerWB Cannot install iobroker.puppeteer@0.3.0: 4294963214
                                  ERROR: Process exited with code 25
                                  

                                  Der komplette Log umfasst über 8000 Zeilen, ich hänge ihn hier als Datei ran.
                                  2024-09-06T05_46_44_817Z-debug-0.log

                                  Wenn ich mir die Log Datei anschaue, dann verstehe ich meistens nur Bahnhof, aber irgendwie beschleicht mich das Gefühl, an meinem System ist immer noch was im Argen.

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                                  • OliverIO
                                    OliverIO @Jensen last edited by OliverIO

                                    @jensen

                                    hm, der konkrete fehler ist der

                                    7083 verbose stack Error: EBUSY: resource busy or locked, rename 'C:\ioBroker\node_modules\iobroker.admin' -> 'C:\ioBroker\node_modules\.iobroker.admin-GBn0lhRQ'
                                    

                                    da wird versucht das verzeichnis umzubenennen. jetzt bin ich nicht firm im detailprozess der adapter installation. umgehen kannst du das, indem du den iobroker stoppst, prüfst ob iobroker wirklich beendet ist und dann von der kommandozeile aus installierst.
                                    ich hab mal noch das fix kommando hinzugefügt, das prüft deine installation ob die richtigen berechtigungen überall gesetzt sind.
                                    durch deine wilden npm befehle hast du sicherlich auch mal mit sudo gearbeitet, weil linux wegen berechtigung gemeckert hat?

                                    iobroker stop
                                    iobroker fix
                                    iobroker isrun
                                    iobroker install iobroker.puppeteer
                                    iobroker start
                                    

                                    der adapter ist dann installiert, eine neue instanz musst du dann noch selbst von der adapterseite aus erzeugen

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                                    • Jensen
                                      Jensen @OliverIO last edited by

                                      @oliverio
                                      Ist ein Windows System, nix sudo.
                                      Die Variante mit Anhalten des Systems habe ich ja bereits mehrmals gemacht.
                                      Ich würde gerne erst mal klären, warum sich der Adapter nicht mit laufendem System installieren läßt, ich denke, das ist nicht normal.
                                      Es sei denn, jemand kann erklären, warum das so ist.
                                      Ein iob fix kann ich aber morgen mal machen, mal sehen, was da so passiert.
                                      Und falls jemand erklären kann, ob die vielen Meldungen im npm Log so ihre Richtigkeit haben, das wäre auch eine prima Sache.

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                                      • OliverIO
                                        OliverIO @Jensen last edited by

                                        @jensen

                                        Im npm log wird detailliert berichtet was
                                        Alles bei der Installation gemacht wird.
                                        Von daher erstmal alles ok, bis auf die eine Fehlermeldung

                                        Das ebusy sagt das ein Prozess aktuell in diesem Verzeichnis läuft und daher das umbenennen der Verzeichnisses nicht funktioniert.
                                        Daher iobroker stoppen.

                                        Das sollte normalerweise schon funktionieren.
                                        Deine Installation hat wahrscheinlich schon einen hau.
                                        Besser wäre es schon alles komplett neu zu installieren.
                                        Die Abfolge ist um aktuell weiterzukommen

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                                        • Jensen
                                          Jensen @OliverIO last edited by Jensen

                                          @oliverio
                                          Ok, dann mal mit stoppen

                                          c:\ioBroker>npm install iobroker.puppeteer
                                          npm warn deprecated dgram@1.0.1: npm is holding this package for security reasons. As it's a core Node module, we will not transfer it over to other users. You may safely remove the package from your dependencies.
                                          npm warn deprecated @npmcli/move-file@1.1.2: This functionality has been moved to @npmcli/fs
                                          npm warn deprecated inflight@1.0.6: This module is not supported, and leaks memory. Do not use it. Check out lru-cache if you want a good and tested way to coalesce async requests by a key value, which is much more comprehensive and powerful.
                                          npm warn deprecated npmlog@5.0.1: This package is no longer supported.
                                          npm warn deprecated npmlog@6.0.2: This package is no longer supported.
                                          npm warn deprecated rimraf@3.0.2: Rimraf versions prior to v4 are no longer supported
                                          npm warn deprecated har-validator@5.1.5: this library is no longer supported
                                          npm warn deprecated glob@7.2.3: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                                          npm warn deprecated glob@7.2.3: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                                          npm warn deprecated glob@7.2.3: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                                          npm warn deprecated glob@8.1.0: Glob versions prior to v9 are no longer supported
                                          npm warn deprecated abab@2.0.6: Use your platform's native atob() and btoa() methods instead
                                          npm warn deprecated are-we-there-yet@2.0.0: This package is no longer supported.
                                          npm warn deprecated are-we-there-yet@3.0.1: This package is no longer supported.
                                          npm warn deprecated node-inspect@2.0.0: This module is part of Node.js core and does not need to be installed separately. It is now unmaintained.
                                          npm warn deprecated debug@4.1.1: Debug versions >=3.2.0 <3.2.7 || >=4 <4.3.1 have a low-severity ReDos regression when used in a Node.js environment. It is recommended you upgrade to 3.2.7 or 4.3.1. (github.com/visionmedia/debug/issues/797)
                                          npm warn deprecated debug@4.1.1: Debug versions >=3.2.0 <3.2.7 || >=4 <4.3.1 have a low-severity ReDos regression when used in a Node.js environment. It is recommended you upgrade to 3.2.7 or 4.3.1. (github.com/visionmedia/debug/issues/797)
                                          npm warn deprecated debug@4.1.1: Debug versions >=3.2.0 <3.2.7 || >=4 <4.3.1 have a low-severity ReDos regression when used in a Node.js environment. It is recommended you upgrade to 3.2.7 or 4.3.1. (github.com/visionmedia/debug/issues/797)
                                          npm warn deprecated domexception@4.0.0: Use your platform's native DOMException instead
                                          npm warn deprecated phantomjs-prebuilt@2.1.16: this package is now deprecated
                                          npm warn deprecated gauge@4.0.4: This package is no longer supported.
                                          npm warn deprecated gauge@3.0.2: This package is no longer supported.
                                          npm warn deprecated uuid@3.4.0: Please upgrade  to version 7 or higher.  Older versions may use Math.random() in certain circumstances, which is known to be problematic.  See v8.dev/blog/math-random for details.
                                          npm warn deprecated request@2.88.2: request has been deprecated, see github.com/request/request/issues/3142
                                          npm warn deprecated sinon@15.2.0: 16.1.1
                                          
                                          added 64 packages, removed 2 packages, changed 1295 packages, and audited 1361 packages in 3m
                                          
                                          170 packages are looking for funding
                                            run `npm fund` for details
                                          
                                          57 vulnerabilities (6 low, 30 moderate, 20 high, 1 critical)
                                          
                                          To address issues that do not require attention, run:
                                            npm audit fix
                                          
                                          To address all issues possible (including breaking changes), run:
                                            npm audit fix --force
                                          
                                          Some issues need review, and may require choosing
                                          a different dependency.
                                          
                                          Run `npm audit` for details.
                                          

                                          jetzt sieht das wieder so aus

                                          c:\ioBroker>npm ls puppeteer
                                          iobroker.inst@3.0.0 c:\ioBroker
                                          `-- iobroker.puppeteer@0.3.0
                                            `-- puppeteer@22.15.0
                                          

                                          Bei dem Versuch, über die Adapterseite eine Instanz zu erzeugen, kommt dann das

                                          $ iobroker add puppeteer auto --host IpsServerWB --debug
                                          
                                          node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1225 const err = new Error(message); ^ Error: Cannot find module 'C:\ioBroker\node_modules\deep-clone\index.js' at Module._resolveFilename (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1225:15) at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1051:27) at cjsLoader (node:internal/modules/esm/translators:346:17) at ModuleWrap.<anonymous> (node:internal/modules/esm/translators:286:7) at ModuleJob.run (node:internal/modules/esm/module_job:234:25) at async ModuleLoader.import (node:internal/modules/esm/loader:473:24) { code: 'MODULE_NOT_FOUND', requireStack: [] } Node.js v20.17.0
                                          
                                          ERROR: Process exited with code 1
                                          

                                          Ich glaube, das ist alles zwecklos.
                                          Eine Neuinstallation muß her.

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                                          • Jensen
                                            Jensen @Jensen last edited by

                                            Ich habe also den Puppeteer Adapter über die Console wieder deinstalliert.
                                            Bei der Vorbereitung einer Neuinstallation wollte ich alle Scripte exportieren, da kommt dann sowas:

                                            d07e0f50-0618-4e0a-921c-36129c616016-grafik.png

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