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      GOETSCHHOFER @crunchip last edited by GOETSCHHOFER

      @crunchip said in Anfänger sucht Hilfe bei Install. proxmox auf INTELNUC8i3BEK:

      influxd backup -portable -database iobroker -host 192.168.1.160:8088 /tmp/mysnapshot

      Dies habe ich vorhin ersetzen mydatabase mit iobroker auch schon versucht.

      Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
      permitted by applicable law.
      karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:~$ influxd backup -portable -database iobroker -host 192.168.1.160:8088 /tmp/mysnapshot 
      2021/05/10 10:01:37 backing up metastore to /tmp/mysnapshot/meta.00
      2021/05/10 10:01:37 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.160:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (0)...
      2021/05/10 10:01:39 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.160:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (1)...
      2021/05/10 10:01:41 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.160:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (2)...
      2021/05/10 10:01:43 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.160:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (3)...
      2021/05/10 10:01:45 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.160:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (4)...
      2021/05/10 10:01:47 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.160:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (5)...
      2021/05/10 10:01:49 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.160:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 3.01s and retrying (6)...
      
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        crunchip Forum Testing Most Active @GOETSCHHOFER last edited by

        @goetschhofer ich blicke gerade nicht ganz durch, die .160 ist dein PI?

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          GOETSCHHOFER @crunchip last edited by GOETSCHHOFER

          @crunchip

          ja

          http://192.168.1.160:8081/#tab-instances
          

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            crunchip Forum Testing Most Active @GOETSCHHOFER last edited by crunchip

            @goetschhofer probier es mal anders herum und führe es von deinem Pi aus
            .77 ist dein LXC? ansonsten ersetzen mit der richtigen ip

            influxd backup -portable -database iobroker -host 192.168.1.77:8088 /tmp/mysnapshot
            
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              GOETSCHHOFER @crunchip last edited by GOETSCHHOFER

              @crunchip

              Ja, .77 mein LXC-Influxdb.

              Port freigeben in Fritzbox7590 ?

              pi@raspberrypi:~ $ influxd backup -portable -database iobroker -host 192.168.1.7                                                                                                                                                             7:8088 /tmp/mysnapshot
              2021/05/10 10:12:54 backing up metastore to /tmp/mysnapshot/meta.00
              2021/05/10 10:12:57 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect:                                                                                                                                                              no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (0)...
              2021/05/10 10:13:00 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect:                                                                                                                                                              no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (1)...
              2021/05/10 10:13:03 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect: no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (2)...
              2021/05/10 10:13:06 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect: no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (3)...
              pi@raspberrypi:~ $ influxd backup -portable -database iobroker -host 192.168.1.7                                                                                                                                                             7:8088 /tmp/mysnapshot
              2021/05/10 10:12:54 backing up metastore to /tmp/mysnapshot/meta.00
              2021/05/10 10:12:57 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect:                                                                                                                                                              no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (0)...
              2021/05/10 10:13:00 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect:                                                                                                                                                              no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (1)...
              2021/05/10 10:13:03 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect: no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (2)...
              ^C
              
              
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                crunchip Forum Testing Most Active @GOETSCHHOFER last edited by

                @goetschhofer in der ersten zeile steht aber nur 192.168.1.7 sollte doch .77 sein

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                  GOETSCHHOFER @crunchip last edited by

                  @crunchip

                  Sorry, hier war ich schlampig.

                  pi@raspberrypi:~ $ influxd backup -portable -database iobroker -host 192.168.1.77:8088 /tmp/mysnapshot
                  2021/05/10 10:16:20 backing up metastore to /tmp/mysnapshot/meta.00
                  2021/05/10 10:16:23 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect: no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (0)...
                  2021/05/10 10:16:26 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect: no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (1)...
                  2021/05/10 10:16:29 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect: no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (2)...
                  2021/05/10 10:16:32 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect: no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (3)...
                  2021/05/10 10:16:35 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect: no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (4)...
                  2021/05/10 10:16:38 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.77:8088: connect: no route to host.  Waiting 2s and retrying (5)...
                  
                  
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                    GOETSCHHOFER @crunchip last edited by

                    @crunchip

                    Hier habe ich noch einen Fehler gemacht. .177 anstatt .77

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                    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ influxd backup -portable -database iobroker -host 192.168.1.177:8088 /tmp/mysnapshot
                    2021/05/10 10:18:41 backing up metastore to /tmp/mysnapshot/meta.00
                    2021/05/10 10:18:41 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (0)...
                    2021/05/10 10:18:43 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (1)...
                    2021/05/10 10:18:45 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (2)...
                    2021/05/10 10:18:47 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (3)...
                    2021/05/10 10:18:49 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (4)...
                    2021/05/10 10:18:51 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (5)...
                    2021/05/10 10:18:53 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 3.01s and retrying (6)...
                    
                    
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                      crunchip Forum Testing Most Active @GOETSCHHOFER last edited by crunchip

                      @goetschhofer ah, ok
                      ich blick ehrlich gesagt da im Moment auch nicht durch
                      setz mal ein sudo vor den Befehl

                      was steht eigentlich in deiner /etc/influxdb/influxdb.conf beim PI
                      geht um diesen Eintrag
                      bind-address = "127.0.0.1:8088

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                        GOETSCHHOFER @crunchip last edited by GOETSCHHOFER

                        @crunchip

                        backup portable influxdb mit sudo vom RSP aus.

                        login as: pi
                        pi@192.168.1.160's password:
                        
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                        the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
                        individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
                        
                        Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
                        permitted by applicable law.
                        Last login: Mon May 10 10:08:05 2021 from pc-home-desktop-q6er4kb.fritz.box
                        pi@raspberrypi:~ $ sudo influxd backup -portable -database iobroker -host 192.168.1.177:8088 /tmp/mysnapshot
                        2021/05/10 10:35:40 backing up metastore to /tmp/mysnapshot/meta.00
                        2021/05/10 10:35:40 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (0)...
                        2021/05/10 10:35:42 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (1)...
                        2021/05/10 10:35:44 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (2)...
                        2021/05/10 10:35:46 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (3)...
                        2021/05/10 10:35:48 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (4)...
                        2021/05/10 10:35:50 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2s and retrying (5)...
                        2021/05/10 10:35:52 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 3.01s and retrying (6)...
                        2021/05/10 10:35:55 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 11.441s and retrying (7)...
                        2021/05/10 10:36:06 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 43.477s and retrying (8)...
                        2021/05/10 10:36:50 Download shard 0 failed dial tcp 192.168.1.177:8088: connect: connection refused.  Waiting 2m45.216s and retrying (9)...
                        ^Cpi@raspberrypi:~ $ ^C
                        
                        
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                          crunchip Forum Testing Most Active @GOETSCHHOFER last edited by

                          @goetschhofer
                          mach mal so

                          sudo influxd backup -portable -database iobroker -host 127.0.0.1:8088 /tmp/influx_backup
                          
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                            GOETSCHHOFER @crunchip last edited by GOETSCHHOFER

                            @crunchip said in Anfänger sucht Hilfe bei Install. proxmox auf INTELNUC8i3BEK:

                            sudo influxd backup -portable -database iobroker -host 127.0.0.1:8088 /tmp/influx_backup

                            Ehrlich, wenn ich dich hier nicht hätte, hätte ich schon längst das Handtuch geworfen. Danke 👍

                            pi@raspberrypi:~ $ sudo influxd backup -portable -database iobroker -host 127.0.0.1:8088 /tmp/influx_backup
                            2021/05/10 10:42:39 backing up metastore to /tmp/influx_backup/meta.00
                            2021/05/10 10:42:39 backing up db=iobroker
                            2021/05/10 10:42:39 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=2 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00002.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:42:45 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=9 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00009.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:42:54 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=17 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00017.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:43:02 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=22 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00022.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:43:07 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=26 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00026.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:43:16 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=34 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00034.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:43:23 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=42 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00042.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:43:30 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=50 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00050.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:43:44 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=58 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00058.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:43:54 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=66 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00066.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:44:04 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=74 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00074.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:44:09 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=82 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00082.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:44:19 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=90 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00090.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:44:28 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=98 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00098.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:44:36 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=106 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00106.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:44:43 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=114 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00114.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=122 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00122.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48 backing up db=iobroker rp=autogen shard=130 to /tmp/influx_backup/iobroker.autogen.00130.00 since 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48 backup complete:
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.meta
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s2.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s9.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s17.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s22.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s26.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s34.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s42.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s50.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s58.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s66.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s74.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s82.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s90.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s98.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s106.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s114.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s122.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.s130.tar.gz
                            2021/05/10 10:44:48     /tmp/influx_backup/20210510T084239Z.manifest
                            pi@raspberrypi:~ $ ^C
                            
                            
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                              crunchip Forum Testing Most Active @GOETSCHHOFER last edited by crunchip

                              @goetschhofer ok, backup hast du nun auf dem PI
                              dann musst du nun auf deinem LCX ein Verzeichnis anlegen

                              mkdir /tmp/influx_backup
                              

                              die Daten die jetzt auf deinem Pi erstellt wurden, musst du auf deinem LXC in das Verzeichnis kopieren

                              soweit ich gelesen habe, darf die selbe Datenbank nicht vorhanden sein, da du die Influx Insatnz aber schon gestartet hast wurde ja eine Datenbank iobroker schon angelegt.

                              Ich würde die Influx Instanz auf deinem neuen Iobroker stoppen
                              dann auf deinem Influxdb LXC folgendes

                              influx
                              drop database iobroker
                              exit
                              

                              anschliessend dieses ausführen (bin mir aber nicht sicher, ob der influx Dienst vorher gestoppt sein muss), daher vllt vorher noch stoppen

                              sudo service influxdb stop
                              influxd restore -metadir /var/lib/influxdb/meta /tmp/influx_backup
                              influxd restore -database iobroker -datadir /var/lib/influxdb/data /tmp/influx_backup
                              sudo chown -R influxdb:influxdb /var/lib/influxdb
                              systemctl start influxdb
                              
                              
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                                GOETSCHHOFER @crunchip last edited by

                                @crunchip said in Anfänger sucht Hilfe bei Install. proxmox auf INTELNUC8i3BEK:

                                was steht eigentlich in deiner /etc/influxdb/influxdb.conf beim PI
                                geht um diesen Eintrag
                                bind-address = "127.0.0.1:8088

                                bind-address = "127.0.0.1:8088 kann ich nicht finden ?

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                                  crunchip Forum Testing Most Active @GOETSCHHOFER last edited by

                                  @goetschhofer das steht ganz oben, das passt schon, sonst hätte das backup nicht funktioniert, bzw würde das backup via backitup gar nicht funktionieren

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                                    GOETSCHHOFER @crunchip last edited by GOETSCHHOFER

                                    @crunchip

                                    InfluxDB war seit gestern gestoppt.

                                    Unten habe ich noch eine Fehlermeldung.

                                    LXC-INFLUXDB-192 login: karl
                                    Password: 
                                    Last login: Mon May 10 10:07:07 CEST 2021 on tty1
                                    Linux LXC-INFLUXDB-192 5.4.106-1-pve #1 SMP PVE 5.4.106-1 (Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:08:47 +0100) x86_64
                                    
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                                    individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
                                    
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                                    permitted by applicable law.
                                    karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:~$ mkdir /tmp/influx_backup
                                    karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:~$ influx
                                    Connected to http://localhost:8086 version 1.8.5
                                    InfluxDB shell version: 1.8.5
                                    > drop database iobroker
                                    > exit
                                    karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:~$ influxd restore -metadir /var/lib/influxdb/meta influx_backup
                                    restore: backup path should be a valid directory: influx_backup
                                    karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:~$ influxd restore -database iobroker -datadir /var/lib/influxdb/data influx_backup
                                    restore: backup path should be a valid directory: influx_backup
                                    karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:~$ sudo chown -R influxdb:influxdb /var/lib/influxdb
                                    [sudo] password for karl: 
                                    karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:~$ systemctl start influxdb
                                    Failed to start influxdb.service: Access denied
                                    See system logs and 'systemctl status influxdb.service' for details.
                                    
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                                      crunchip Forum Testing Most Active @GOETSCHHOFER last edited by crunchip

                                      @goetschhofer sagte in Anfänger sucht Hilfe bei Install. proxmox auf INTELNUC8i3BEK:

                                      Unten habe ich noch eine Fehlermeldung.

                                      sorry war mein Fehler, Verzeichnis nicht richtig angegeben, hab es oben korrigiert

                                      also dieses nochmal

                                      sudo service influxdb stop
                                      sudo influxd restore -metadir /var/lib/influxdb/meta /tmp/influx_backup
                                      sudo influxd restore -database iobroker -datadir /var/lib/influxdb/data /tmp/influx_backup
                                      sudo chown -R influxdb:influxdb /var/lib/influxdb
                                      sudo systemctl start influxdb
                                      
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                                        GOETSCHHOFER @crunchip last edited by

                                        @crunchip

                                        Warum hat er in /tmp/influx_backup keinen Inhalt ?

                                        karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:~$ sudo service influxdb stop
                                        [sudo] password for karl: 
                                        karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:~$ influxd restore -metadir /var/lib/influxdb/meta /tmp/influx_backup
                                        restore: no metastore backups in /tmp/influx_backup
                                        karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:~$ cd /tmp/influx_backup
                                        karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:/tmp/influx_backup$ ls -l
                                        total 0
                                        karl@LXC-INFLUXDB-192:/tmp/influx_backup$ 
                                        
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                                          crunchip Forum Testing Most Active @GOETSCHHOFER last edited by

                                          @goetschhofer hast du die Dateien vom Pi auf den LXC kopiert?

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                                            GOETSCHHOFER @crunchip last edited by GOETSCHHOFER

                                            @crunchip

                                            Ich war eben bis dahin der Meinung, dass durch die Angabe der IP-192.168.1.177-LXC-Influxdb in ein Verzeichnis beim LXC geschrieben werden ? Wie haben dies ja dann auf 127.0.0. geändert.
                                            D.h. die Daten liegen noch immer am RSP ?

                                            Nur wie kopiere ich diese vom Pi in das LXC Verzeichnis, von einer IP in die andere IP ?

                                            die Daten die jetzt auf deinem Pi erstellt wurden, musst du auf deinem LXC in das Verzeichnis kopieren
                                            
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