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    • braindead
      braindead Developer @mlengen last edited by

      @mlengen In einem der letzten Dev Meetings wurde betont, dass Alias die Zukunft ist und der momentane Stand nur ein Zwischenstand ist. Was genau erwartest Du denn, was hier passieren soll?

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      • apollon77
        apollon77 @mlengen last edited by

        @mlengen Tage ... 24h ... Privatleben ... andere Prios ... such Dir nen Grund aus ... ja es ist immer noch der Plan ...

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        • K
          kubi last edited by

          Ich habe mal eine Frage zum Adapter Devices, wie kann ich selbst Aliase zusätzlich anlegen ?

          a73b7239-ddf6-42b0-82ec-3b41e1626e6d-image.png

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            Videonisse @apollon77 last edited by Videonisse

            Sorry for late feedback but I just found this thread. I hope it's okey that I write in english as mein deutch ist leider nicht sehr gut (ich kann aber deutch gut lesen).

            I'm thrilled to read about the enhancements in this area! This enables ioBroker to become smart 🙂

            However, I would not use the Alexa Skills as a great Taxonomy for how to implement the metadata in ioBroker. Alexa is great and very flexible, but it lacks a good structure. For example, it only specifies 15 different Device types (Skill Device Templates). Google Assistant is much better; they have currently 78 Devices types for smart home area. Apple HomeKit has 23 (Accessory types).

            Have I understood the proposed structure correctly that the Device top level will be called "Alias" and an alias then has a "Function", and below this, it will have one or more "Roles/Types" and these have different "States"?

            Could you share how those different levels map to the Taxonomy used by, for example Alexa and Google?

            Something else I would suggest is to not focus too much on Alexa and Google but use as much as possible from the already standardized and open framework from OpenConnectivity Foundation, the OCF Specification. The latest release is from July this year. They have already a huge amount of Devices types specified, 54 types for smart home and another 127 for appliances and other IoT devices. For the next level, they call it "Resource Types", they have specified 169 types. Most of the big players are members of OCF. Have you guys already looked at this spec and if so, what is your opinion about it?

            For my own benefit, I have put a table together with how I understand the used Taxonomy and how they map. I also counted all the standardized types they currently have officially documented. Please, let me know if I misunderstood something.

            2020-10-19 00_10_41-Smart home APIs Google Alexa Homekit.xlsx - Taxonomy mapping.png

            Many thanks for the impressive work with ioBroker and all of the adapters!

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              Videonisse @Videonisse last edited by Videonisse

              EDIT: I found an online tool showing all the device and resource types as well as enumerations: https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/devicemodels/docs/index.html

              Here is the list of OCF Universal Device types (Source: OCF spec Annex A)

              Device Category  / Device Type  / Normative
              
              Space Conditioning	
              	Air Conditioner	oic.d.airconditioner
              	Water Heater	oic.d.waterheater
              	Furnace	oic.d.furnace
              	Pump	oic.d.pump
              	Fan	oic.d.fan
              	Condensing Unit	oic.d.condensingunit
              	Condenser	oic.d.condenser
              	Humidifier	oic.d.humidifier
              	Dehumidifier	oic.d.dehumidifier
              	Thermostat	oic.d.thermostat
              	HVAC	oic.d.hvac
              	Air Purifier	oic.d.airpurifier
              	Air Quality Monitor	oic.d.airqualitymonitor
              
              Lighting
              	Lighting Controls	oic.d.lightingcontrol
              	Light	oic.d.light
              
              Appliance
              	Airer	oic.d.airer
              	Dryer (Laundry)	oic.d.dryer
              	"Washer (Laundry)"	oic.d.washer
              	Clothes Washer Dryer	oic.d.washerdryer
              	Dishwasher	oic.d.dishwasher
              	Freezer	oic.d.freezer
              	Ice Machine	oic.d.icemachine
              	Indoor Garden	oic.d.indoorgarden
              	Mattress	oic.d.mattress
              	Oven	oic.d.oven
              	Range	oic.d.range
              	Refrigerator	oic.d.refrigerator
              	Water Heater	oic.d.waterheater
              	Water Purifier	oic.d.waterpurifier
              	Cooker Hood	oic.d.cookerhood
              	Cooktop	oic.d.cooktop
              	Steam Closet	oic.d.steamcloset
              
              Electronics
              	Audio System	oic.d.audiosystem
              	AV Player	oic.d.avplayer
              	Camera	oic.d.camera
              	Desktop PC	oic.d.desktoppc
              	Notebook PC	oic.d.notebookpc
              	Server	oic.d.server
              	Computer	oic.d.pc
              	Data Storage Unit	oic.d.datastorageunit
              	Display	oic.d.display
              	Portable Electronics	oic.d.portableelectronics
              	Game Console	oic.d.gameconsole
              	3D Printer	oic.d.3dprinter
              	Printer	oic.d.printer
              	Printer Multi- Function	oic.d.multifunctionprinter
              	Scanner	oic.d.scanner
              	Musical Instrument	oic.d.musicalinstrument
              	Networking Equipment	oic.d.networking
              	Handset	oic.d.handset
              	Receiver	oic.d.receiver
              	Set Top Box	oic.d.stb
              	Telephony	oic.d.telephonydevice
              	Television	oic.d.tv
              	Active Speaker	oic.d.speaker
              	Electronics	oic.d.smallelectrical
              
              Miscellaneous
              	Air Compressor	oic.d.aircompressor
              	Bathroom General	oic.d.bathroomdevice
              	Battery Charger	oic.d.batterycharger
              	Business Equipment	oic.d.businessequipment
              	Robot Cleaner	oic.d.robotcleaner
              	Portable Stove	oic.d.portablestove
              	Exercise Machine	oic.d.exercisemachine
              	Portable HVAC	oic.d.hvacportable
              	Optical augmented RFID Reader	oic.d.orfid
              	Coffee Machine	oic.d.coffeemachine
              	Food Probe	oic.d.foodprobe
              	Grinder	oic.d.grinder
              	Kettle	oic.d.kettle
              	Decorative Lighting	oic.d.lightdecorative
              	Emergency Lighting	oic.d.lightemergency
              	Microwave Oven	oic.d.microwave
              	Vending Machine	oic.d.vendingmachine
              	Water Dispenser	oic.d.waterdispenser
              	Battery	oic.d.battery
              
              Infrastructure	
              	Water Valve	oic.d.watervalve
              	Blind	oic.d.blind
              	Door	oic.d.door
              	Garage Door	oic.d.garagedoor
              	Smart Lock	oic.d.smartlock
              	Window	oic.d.window
              	Fireplace	oic.d.fireplace
              	Pump	oic.d.pump
              	Energy Generator	oic.d.energygenerator
              	Smart Plug	oic.d.smartplug
              	Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter	oic.d.afci
              	Circuit Breaker	oic.d.circuitbreaker
              	Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter	oic.d.gfci
              	Inverter	oic.d.inverter
              	PV Array System	oic.d.pvarraysystem
              	Switch	oic.d.switch
              	Security Panel	oic.d.securitypanel
              	Generic Sensor	oic.d.sensor
              	Electric Meter	oic.d.electricmeter
              	Energy Monitor	oic.d.energymonitor
              
              Transportation	
              	Electric Vehicle Charger	oic.d.electricvehiclecharger
              
              Fitness	
              	Fitness Device	oic.d.fitnessdevice
              	Activity Tracker	oic.d.activitytracker
              	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
              	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
              	Cycling Power Meter	oic.d.cyclingpowermeter
              	Cycling Speed Sensor	oic.d.cyclingspeedsensor
              	Cycling Cadence Sensor	oic.d.cyclingcadencesensor
              	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
              	Muscle Oxygen Monitor	oic.d.muscleoxygenmonitor
              
              Medical	
              	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
              	Body Scale	oic.d.bodyscale
              	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
              	CGM	oic.d.cgm
              	Glucose Meter	oic.d.glucosemeter
              	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
              	Medical Device	oic.d.medicaldevice
              	Pulse Oximeter	oic.d.pulseoximeter
              	Sleep Monitor	oic.d.sleepmonitor
              
              Personal Health
              	Activity Tracker	oic.d.activitytracker
              	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
              	Body Composition Analyser	oic.d.bodycompositionanalys er
              	Body Scale	oic.d.bodyscale
              	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
              	CGM	oic.d.cgm
              	Glucose Meter	oic.d.glucosemeter
              	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
              	Personal Health Device	oic.d.personalhealthdevice
              	Pulse Oximeter	oic.d.pulseoximeter
              	Sleep Monitor	oic.d.sleepmonitor
              
              Other		oic.d.unknown
              	Access Management Service	oic.d.ams
              	Credential Management Service	oic.d.cms
              	Device Ownership Transfer Service	oic.d.dots
              

              And a list with the 169 Resource Type definitions

              Friendly Name (informative)	Resource Type (rt)
              3D Printer	oic.r.printer.3d
              Acceleration Sensor	oic.r.sensor.acceleration
              Activity	oic.r.activity
              Activity Count	oic.r.sensor.activity.count
              Activity Tracker Atomic Measurement	oic.r.activitytracker-am
              Air Flow	oic.r.airflow
              Air Flow Control	oic.r.airflowcontrol
              Air Quality	oic.r.airquality
              Air Quality Collection	oic.r.airqualitycollection
              Alarm	oic.r.alarm
              Altimeter	oic.r.altimeter
              Atmospheric Pressure	oic.r.sensor.atmosphericpressure
              Audio Controls	oic.r.audio
              Auto Focus	oic.r.autofocus
              Automatic Document Feeder	oic.r.automaticdocumentfeeder
              Auto White Balance	oic.r.colour.autowhitebalance
              Battery	oic.r.energy.battery
              Battery Material	oic.r.batterymaterial
              Body Composition Analyser Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bodycompositionanalyser-am
              Binary switch	oic.r.switch.binary
              Blood Pressure	oic.r.blood.pressure
              Blood Pressure Monitor Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bloodpressuremonitor-am
              BMI	oic.r.bmi
              Body Fat	oic.r.body.fat
              Body Fat Free Mass	oic.r.body.ffm
              Body Location Temperature	oic.r.body.location.temperature
              Body Scale Atomic Measurement	oic.r.body.scale-am
              Body Soft Lean Mass	oic.r.body.slm
              Body Thermometer Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bodythermometer-am
              Body Water	oic.r.body.water
              Brewing	oic.r.brewing
              Brightness	oic.r.light.brightness
              Button Switch	oic.r.button
              Cadence	oic.r.cadence
              Calibrate for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.calibrate
              Calorific Value	oic.r.calorificvalue
              Carbon Dioxide Sensor	oic.r.sensor.carbondioxide
              Carbon Monoxide Sensor	oic.r.sensor.carbonmonoxide
              Circuit Breaker (IEC 61850)	oic.r.circuitbreaker
              Clock	oic.r.clock
              Colour Chroma	oic.r.colour.chroma
              Colour Hue Saturation	oic.r.colour.hs
              Colour RGB	oic.r.colour.rgb
              Colour Saturation	oic.r.colour.saturation
              Colour Space Coordinates	oic.r.colour.csc
              Colour Temperature	oic.r.colour.colourtemperature
              Consumable	oic.r.consumable
              Consumable Collection	oic.r.consumablecollection
              Contact Sensor	oic.r.sensor.contact
              Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM) Atomic Measurement	oic.r.cgm-am
              Conversion Factor	oic.r.conversionfactor
              Cycling Power	oic.r.cyclingpower
              Delay Defrost	oic.r.delaydefrost
              Demand Response Load Control (DRLC)	oic.r.energy.drlc
              Deodorization	oic.r.deodorization
              Device Settings - Accessibility	oic.r.settings.accessibility
              Device Settings - Broadcasting	oic.r.settings.broadcasting
              Device Settings - Picture	oic.r.settings.picture
              Device Settings - Sound	oic.r.settings.sound
              Device Settings - Support	oic.r.settings.support
              Device Settings - System	oic.r.settings.system
              Dimming	oic.r.light.dimming
              Door	oic.r.door
              Ecomode	oic.r.ecomode
              Electric Vehicle Connector	oic.r.vehicle.connector
              Electrical Energy	oic.r.energy.electrical
              Energy Consumption	oic.r.energy.consumption
              Energy Generation	oic.r.energy.generation
              Energy Overload/Circuit Breaker	oic.r.energy.overload
              Energy Usage	oic.r.energy.usage
              Gas Consumption	oic.r.gas.consumption
              Gas Usage	oic.r.gas.usage
              Fault Interrupter Switch	oic.r.switch.fault
              Foaming	oic.r.foaming
              Generic Sensor	oic.r.sensor
              Geolocation Sensor	oic.r.sensor.geolocation
              Glass Break Sensor	oic.r.sensor.glassbreak
              Glucose	oic.r.glucose
              Glucose Meter Complex Carbohydrates	oic.r.glucose.carb
              Glucose Meter Exercise	oic.r.glucose.exercise
              Glucose Meter HbA1c	oic.r.glucose.hba1c
              Glucose Meter Context Health	oic.r.glucose.health
              Glucose Meter Context Meal	oic.r.glucose.meal
              Glucose Meter Context Medication	oic.r.glucose.medication
              Glucose Meter Atomic Measurement	oic.r.glucosemeter-am
              Glucose Meter Context Sample Location	oic.r.glucose.samplelocation
              Glucose Meter Context Tester	oic.r.glucose.tester
              Grinder	oic.r.grinder
              HVAC Capacity	
              Oic.r.hvac.capacity	6.157
              Heart Rate	oic.r.heartrate
              Heart Rate Monitor Atomic Measurement Representation	oic.r.heartratemonitor-am
              Heart Rate Zone Sensor	oic.r.sensor.heart.zone
              Heating Zone	oic.r.heatingzone
              Heating Zone Collection	oic.r.heatingzonecollection
              Height	oic.r.height
              Humidity	oic.r.humidity
              IAS Zone Info	oic.r.iaszoneinfo
              IAS Zone Collection	oic.r.iaszone
              Icemaker	oic.r.icemaker
              Illuminance Sensor	oic.r.sensor.illuminance
              Impact Sensor	oic.r.impactsensor
              Inverter (IEC 61850)	oic.r.inverter
              KeyCard Switch	oic.r.keycardswitch
              Keypad Character	oic.r.keypadchar
              Liquid Level	oic.r.liquid.level
              Lock	oic.r.lock.status
              Lock Code	oic.r.lock.code
              Magnetic Field Direction	oic.r.sensor.magneticfielddirection
              Media	oic.r.media
              Media Audio	oic.r.media.audio
              Media Core	oic.r.media.core
              Media Image	oic.r.media.image
              Media Source	oic.r.mediasource
              Media Source List	oic.r.mediasourcelist
              Media Source Input	oic.r.media.input
              Media Source Output	oic.r.media.output
              Media Text	oic.r.media.text
              Media Video	oic.r.media.video
              Mode	oic.r.mode
              Movement	oic.r.movement.linear
              Motion Sensor	oic.r.sensor.motion
              Muscle Oxygen Saturation	oic.r.muscleoxygensaturation
              Night Mode	oic.r.nightmode
              Opaque Data	oic.r.opaquedata
              Open Level	oic.r.openlevel
              Operational State	oic.r.operational.state
              Optical RFID Station	oic.r.orfid.station
              Optical RFID Tag	oic.r.orfid.tag
              Pan Tilt Zoom Movement	oic.r.ptz
              Power Source	oic.r.powersource
              Presence Sensor	oic.r.sensor.presence
              Print Queue	oic.r.printer.queue
              Pulsatile Characteristic for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.pulsatilecharacteristic
              Pulsatile Occurrence for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.pulsatileoccurrence
              Pulse Oximeter Atomic Measurement Representation	oic.r.pulseoximeter-am
              Pulse Rate	oic.r.pulserate
              PV array system connection terminal (IEC 61850)	oic.r pvconnectionterminal
              Ramp Time	oic.r.light.ramptime
              Refrigeration	oic.r.refrigeration
              Restricted Switch	oic.r.switch.restricted
              Sampling Interface for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.samplinginterval
              Selectable Levels	oic.r.selectablelevels
              Sensor for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.sensor
              Sensor Properties	oic.r.sensor.props
              Signal Strength	oic.r.signalstrength
              Sleep	oic.r.sleep
              Sleep Monitor Atomic Measurement Batch Representation	oic.r.sleepmonitor-am
              Sleep Sensor	oic.r.sensor.sleep
              Smoke Sensor	oic.r.sensor.smoke
              Speech Synthesis	oic.r.speech.tts
              Speed	oic.r.speed
              SpO2 for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.spo2
              Status for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.status
              Temperature	oic.r.temperature
              Three Axis Sensor	oic.r.sensor.threeaxis
              Threshold for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.threshold
              Time Period	oic.r.time.period
              Time Stamp	oic.r.time.stamp
              Torque	oic.r.torque
              Touch Sensor	oic.r.sensor.touch
              UV Radiation	oic.r.sensor.radiation.uv
              User ID	oic.r.userid
              User Info for Application Layer	oic.r.userinfo
              Value Conditional	oic.r.value.conditional
              Water Info	oic.r.waterinfo
              Water Sensor	oic.r.sensor.water
              Weight	oic.r.weight
              Window Covering	oic.r.windowcovering
              
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              • da_Woody
                da_Woody @kubi last edited by

                @kubi said in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

                Ich habe mal eine Frage zum Adapter Devices, wie kann ich selbst Aliase zusätzlich anlegen ?

                Alias anlegen

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                • Garfonso
                  Garfonso Developer @Videonisse last edited by

                  @Videonisse said in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

                  Have I understood the proposed structure correctly that the Device top level will be called "Alias" and an alias then has a "Function", and below this, it will have one or more "Roles/Types" and these have different "States"?

                  That is not how I understood it. It is more flexible and linked to the ioBroker way to do things. Currently all aliases have an ID that starts with alias.0. That probalby will stay that way.
                  The proposed device templates are a thing of an object of type "device", i.e. it describes one physical / logical device. The devices in ioBroker usually have multiple states (which can be sensor readings or ways to control the device). Currently this is all very loose and very different for different device types / manufacturers. The idea of the device templates is to have, as an attribute of the device itself, a list of possible "functions" that such a device can have and with that create a mapping from function to existing states in ioBroker. So that an adapter that creates a visualisation or device for alexa / google home or similar can determine from the device object which states to use to control the device.

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                    Videonisse @Garfonso last edited by Videonisse

                    Isn't "Device templates" and (partly) "Alias" just a technical way how to implement the standardized metadata for a Device into ioBroker? I'm not a developer so I don't fully understand what's the best way forward on the technical level. But what I try to understand is the needs of the standardized data; What data and How will this be structured. I'm not sure what has been decided upon already and if the team still wants some feedback. What is the status?

                    Currently several of mine Adapters has structured the ioBroker Objects into "Devices" and "Channels". Devices and channels can also be tagged with metadata "Roles" and "Functions". Also, the objects for "States" can/shall be tagged with those. So already, a lot of the technical structure is implemented.

                    As I understand it, currently both Roles and Functions, however, lack details of which group of states that are mandatory as well as are optional to represent, for example, a Light. If this was standardized on all three levels; Device, Channel and State, it should be much easier to programmatically interact with other adapters for automation and visualisation.

                    An important question must be how to standardize all of those possible Device types and the required data they must include as well as suggested additional Objects/States they may have and in which formats. To use a common Taxonomy and have agreed on a Semantic model should be very important. A lot of work is already invested in the ecosystems from Amazon Alexa, Apple HomeKit and Google Assistant and of course, it's a good idea to copy as much as possible from them. But as they are not complete, I think it would be even more important to use a more open and standardized data model to achieve Semantic interoperability. So far I can see, the most advanced and promising model for the Smart Home is today what OpenConnectivity Foundation can offer as part of their OCF Specification. Of course, if the Working Group Project Connected Home over IP would publish a Semantic specification it would perhaps be even greater, or? But if and when this will happen is hard to tell.

                    Regarding Semantic model, here is some example from the OCF spec of Device Types and Resource Types respectively:

                    2020-10-20 12_53_12-OCF Device Type overview - Example Required Resources.png
                    Source: https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/devicemodels/docs/index.html

                    2020-10-20 13_11_27-OCF_Resource_Type_Specification_v2.2.0.pdf - Example Light Dimming.png
                    Source: OCF Spec v.2.2.0 Resource Types

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                    • Garfonso
                      Garfonso Developer @Videonisse last edited by

                      @Videonisse said in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

                      As I understand it, currently both Roles and Functions, however, lack details of which group of states that are mandatory as well as are optional to represent, for example, a Light. If this was standardized on all three levels; Device, Channel and State, it should be much easier to programmatically interact with other adapters for automation and visualisation.

                      That is exactly the current situation, we have states in some structure of devices and channels associated with roles and they have types and flags of read/write. From all this the type-detector tries to derive a device type. This is quite brittle.
                      So I understood the proposal to add a description of the device to the device object meta data where a developer can define a device type for the device in question and which states of the device offer which functionality of the device type. So the device-object would describe which device type it is and how to control it / read data from it.

                      Of course those device templates need to be defined, collected and described somewhere. From what I understood, when there is talk about Alexa devices or Google home, then that is not exclusive but a "base set" of devices that should be somehow supported (because integration of those services currently is an important freature for iobroker). If there are definitions of device templates that are a superset of those, then it might be worth having a look.

                      From what I understood this still is a proposal and has not been decided upon (but I could be wrong there).

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                        Videonisse @Garfonso last edited by

                        (feel free to write in German, this is still the Deutsche Abteilung 🙂 )

                        I believe that the proposed Device Templates are similar to what OCF has defined with their Device Types and the mandatory, as well as optional, Resource Types. For example, the Device Type Light that has 1 mandatory and 5 optional Resource Types. Each of them has a machine-readable template available.

                        Would be interesting to hear if @apollon77, or the other core developers, thinks this is something interesting for ioBroker or a plan is already set?

                        Example

                        {
                             "devicename": "Light",
                             "devicetype": "oic.d.light",
                             "vertical":   "Smart Home",
                             "resources": [
                               {"resourcetypetitle": "Binary Switch", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.switch.binary"}
                             ],
                             "recommendedresources": [
                               {"resourcetypetitle": "Colour Hue Saturation", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.colour.hs"},
                               {"resourcetypetitle": "Colour Space Co-ordinates", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.colour.csc"},
                               {"resourcetypetitle": "Colour Temperature", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.colour.colourtemperature"},
                               {"resourcetypetitle": "Dimming", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.light.dimming"},
                               {"resourcetypetitle": "Ramp Time", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.light.ramptime"}
                             ]
                           }
                        

                        Source: https://github.com/openconnectivityfoundation/devicemodels/blob/master/oic.devicemap-content.json

                        Example oic.r.light.dimming:

                        {
                          "swagger": "2.0",
                          "info": {
                            "title": "Dimming",
                            "version": "2019-02-15",
                            "license": {
                              "name": "OCF Data Model License",
                              "url": "https://github.com/openconnectivityfoundation/core/blob/e28a9e0a92e17042ba3e83661e4c0fbce8bdc4ba/LICENSE.md",
                              "x-copyright": "copyright 2016-2017, 2019 Open Connectivity Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved."
                            },
                            "termsOfService": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/core/DISCLAIMER.md"
                          },
                          "schemes": ["http"],
                          "consumes": ["application/json"],
                          "produces": ["application/json"],
                          "paths": {
                            "/DimmingResURI" : {
                              "get": {
                                "description": "This Resource describes a dimming function.\nThe Property \"dimmingSetting\" is an integer showing the current dimming level.\nIf Property \"step\" is present then it represents the increment between dimmer values.\nWhen the Property \"range\" is omitted, then the range is [0,100].\nA value of 0 means total dimming; a value of 100 means no dimming.",
                                "parameters": [
                                  {"$ref": "#/parameters/interface"}
                                ],
                                "responses": {
                                    "200": {
                                      "description" : "",
                                      "x-example":
                                        {
                                          "rt": ["oic.r.light.dimming"],
                                          "if": ["oic.if.a", "oic.if.baseline"],
                                          "dimmingSetting": 30,
                                          "step": 5,
                                          "range": [0, 100]
                                        },
                                      "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" }
                                    }
                                }
                              },
                              "post": {
                                "description": "Sets the desired dimming level.\n",
                                "parameters": [
                                  {"$ref": "#/parameters/interface"},
                                  {
                                    "name": "body",
                                    "in": "body",
                                    "required": true,
                                    "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" },
                                    "x-example":
                                      {
                                        "dimmingSetting": 40
                                      }
                                  }
                                ],
                                "responses": {
                                    "200": {
                                      "description" : "Indicates that the dimming was changed.\nThe new dimming level is provided in the response.\n",
                                      "x-example":
                                        {
                                          "dimmingSetting": 40
                                        },
                                      "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" }
                                    },
                                    "403": {
                                      "description": "This response is generated by the OCF Server when the client sends:\n  An update with an out of range property value for dimmingSetting.\nThe server responds with the current resource representation.\n",
                                      "x-example":
                                        {
                                          "dimmingSetting": 40
                                        },
                                      "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" }
                                    }
                                }
                              }
                            }
                          },
                          "parameters": {
                            "interface": {
                              "in": "query",
                              "name": "if",
                              "type": "string",
                              "enum": ["oic.if.a", "oic.if.baseline"]
                            }
                          },
                          "definitions": {
                            "Dimming" : {
                              "properties": {
                                "rt": {
                                  "description": "The Resource Type.",
                                  "items": {
                                    "enum": ["oic.r.light.dimming"],
                                    "maxLength": 64,
                                    "type": "string"
                                  },
                                  "minItems": 1,
                                  "uniqueItems": true,
                                  "readOnly": true,
                                  "type": "array"
                                },
                                "dimmingSetting": {
                                  "description": "The current dimming value.",
                                  "type": "integer"
                                },
                                "n": {
                                    "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/core/schemas/oic.common.properties.core-schema.json#/definitions/n"
                                },
                                "id": {
                                    "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/core/schemas/oic.common.properties.core-schema.json#/definitions/id"
                                },
                                "range": {
                                    "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/IoTDataModels/schemas/oic.baseresource.properties-schema.json#/definitions/range_integer"
                                },
                                "step": {
                                    "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/IoTDataModels/schemas/oic.baseresource.properties-schema.json#/definitions/step_integer"
                                },
                                "if": {
                                  "description": "The OCF Interface set supported by this Resource.",
                                  "items": {
                                    "enum": [
                                      "oic.if.a",
                                      "oic.if.baseline"
                                    ],
                                    "type": "string"
                                  },
                                  "minItems": 2,
                                  "uniqueItems": true,
                                  "readOnly": true,
                                  "type": "array"
                                }
                              },
                              "type": "object",
                              "required": ["dimmingSetting"]
                            }
                          }
                        }
                        

                        Source: https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/IoTDataModels/DimmingResURI.swagger.json

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                          bungee71 @apollon77 last edited by bungee71

                          @apollon77
                          Hallo, ich habe Anfang Dezember 2020 mit ioBroker begonnen und seit dem einiges getestet. Den Ansatz mit den Alias finde ich sehr gut, ähnlich einer Variablentabelle, allerdings habe ich noch einige Lücken im Verständnis der Philisophie des Adapters. 😕
                          Soweit ich es bisher Verstanden habe erstellt man unter "Geräte" ein Alias Gerät (Geräte denen ich vorher schon Raum und Funktion zugeordnet hatte erscheinen automatisch in der Liste - allerdings nicht als Alias - was hat es damit auf sich wie sieht der Use case aus ?) hierbei kann man sich einen vorgefertigen Typ aussuchen.
                          neuesGeraet.png
                          Wenn man das neue Alias Gerät editiert sieht man, dass es eine vorgefertigte Struktur hat - welche sicherlich von dem zuvor gewaehlten Typ kommt.
                          GeraetBearbeiten.png
                          Leider kann man in diesem Fenster nur die Quellen zu den einzelnen Tags/Members editieren, die Struktur selbst lässt sich hier nicht ändern genauso wie andere Parameter wie z.B. eine Konvertierung des Wertes.
                          Anpassungen der Struktur (Member hinzufügen) konnte ich nur unter Objekte durchführen und dort auch nur mit manuellen Anpassungen z.B. um diesen Fehler beim Anlagen eines neuen Datenpunkt unter dem Gerät zu lösen
                          FehlerNeuerAliasDatenpunkt.png
                          erst wenn man den alias Parameter einfügt wird der Datenpunkt erkannt.
                          Parameter.png

                          Legt man nun auf diese Weise mehrere Datenpunkte an funktionieren Sie in Objekte unter alias.0 auch wunderbar. Wenn man aber jetzt ein Geräte das entsprechende Gerät editiert sind die neuen Member zwar in dargestellt aber alle sind "scheinbar" mit der gleichen Quelle verbunden --> Darstellungsproblem ?
                          gleicheQuelle.png
                          wie gesagt die Datenpunkte funktionieren.

                          Ok jetzt zu meinem Problem bzw. Verbesserungsvorschlag.
                          Die Vorgegebenen Typen finde ich gut jedoch sehe ich hier den generischen Ansatz als problematisch. Z.B. passt der Typ Jalousie von der Struktur her nicht zu meinen HomePilot20 RademacherGeräten. So wie ich das bis jetzt verstanden habe werden diese Typen Entwicklerseitig zur Verfügung gestellt ? Was im Grunde sehr gut ist da so eine gewisse Standardisierung rein kommt.

                          1. Vorschlag:
                            Der Adapterhersteller z.B. hier Homepilot20 liefert den GeräteTyp mit - er weiss am besten wie dieser auszusehen hat.

                          2. Vorschlag:
                            Der User sollte seine eigenen Typen erstellen können evtl. in einem Editor. In dem Editor können auch die Systemseitig gelieferten Typen dargestellt und verwaltet werden. Ich denke da an ein Typ --> Instanz Konzept. Das Gerät arbeitet nur mit der Instanz somit haben ich die Möglichkeit zentral den Typ zu editieren (single point of change)

                          Die Verknüpfung der Quellen mit den einzelnen Member des Gerätes muss mit jedem neuen Gerät (für jeden Member) auch neu durchgeführt werden. Man kann es etwas schneller gestalten indem man das Gerät unter Objekte als JSON exportiert und nach Anpassung wieder importiert, ist aber alles nicht sehr effektiv.
                          Beispiel: Ich habe 10 Rollos vom gleichen Hersteller somit haben alle die selbe Struktur
                          Rollos.png
                          und ein möglicher Typ "Rademacher_Rollo" hat die Parameter des Gerät ("Position"; "Action"; etc ) schon vorverbunden da diese ja bekannt sind, Somit muss ich nach anlegen eines neuen Gerätes nur noch den richtigen Pfad auswählen. Pfad.png

                          1. Vorschlag: Zweistufige Projektierung
                            Stufe Eins:
                            Zuordnen eines GeräteTyp (oder User Defined Datatyp UDT) zu dem neu erstellten Alias Gerät.
                            Stufe Zwei:
                            Verschalten des Alias Gerät mit dem Pfad des realen Geräts.

                          Vorteil ist ich muss nur noch eine Verbindung herstellen und nicht jeden einzelnen Member einzeln verbinden. Diese spart sehr viel Zeit und ist weniger Fehleranfällig.

                          Ich hoffe ich habe es einigermaßen nachvollziehbar ausgedrückt sonst bitte einfach nachfragen. Gerne kann ich das auch in Github eintragen, möchte aber erst mal ein gemeinsames Verständnis und Wording finden.

                          Gruß Bungee

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                            Messiahs @bungee71 last edited by Messiahs

                            Einfach mal über den Tellerrand geschaut:
                            Habt Ihr mittlerweile eine Roadmap zu diesem Thema oder zumindest eine allgemeine Roadmap 2021 für uns ?

                            Gefühlt wurde in letzter Zeit viel am "Haus" gestrichen und auch das Dach mit einer Solaranlage ausgestattet ("Alexa Custom Skill") und sogar eine neue Dachterrasse geplant ("Text Kommandos für Alexa" ,... ) .
                            Aber gefühlt ist erstmal die Sanierung des Kellers notwendig, sonst bricht in den nächsten Jahren das Haus zusammen.

                            Neue Anforderungen/UserStorys bzgl. Alexa-Unterstützung machen zurzeit keinen Sinn (wg. ausstehendem Update auf V3-AlexaApi).
                            Selbst für simple Grundfunktionen fehlt anscheinend das Grundgerüst (Temperatur_Steuerung/_Sensor über Alexa-App, Rolladensteuerung, usw. ).

                            Das Basement bzgl. V3-AlexaApi sollte man schnellstens mit hoher Priorität angehen.

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                              apollon77 @Messiahs last edited by

                              @messiahs Hi, das Thema steht immer noch auf der Roadmap. Dein Vergleich mischt ein bissl ziemlich verschiedene Dinge. Der Custom SKill existiert seid über 2 Jahren quasi "ungeändert" und textCommands in Alexa2 ist ein Adapter Feature.

                              Aber ja, dieses Thema steht recht weit oben auf der Todo Liste ... so wie Zeit ist

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                                mlengen @apollon77 last edited by mlengen

                                @apollon77 Besteht den die Chance das dieses Jahr Zeit dafür ist?
                                Ohne Unterstützung der V3-Api fehlt einfach ein essenzieller Bestandteil bei Alexa.

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                                  apollon77 @mlengen last edited by

                                  @mlengen Ich hoffe ja ... Das Jahr ist ja noch Jung und der controller 3.2 dann auch bald fertig 🙂

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                                    Videonisse last edited by

                                    I added an Issue as a Feature Request for the Devices Adapter regarding enhancements in the GUI. It relates to this topic as well. I hope that the GUI for Devices, in the long run, will be as great as the rest of ioBroker. You guys are doing an amazing job with js 3.2.x and the maturity of the core features! 🙂

                                    Are the suggestions useful?

                                    https://github.com/ioBroker/ioBroker.devices/issues/55

                                    Videonisse created this issue in ioBroker/ioBroker.devices

                                    closed A more flexible GUI #55

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                                      mlengen last edited by mlengen

                                      gelöscht

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                                        mlengen last edited by

                                        Hallo,
                                        ich habe mal wieder ein Frage.
                                        Nachdem es hier ja in letzter Zeit so einige Fortschritte gab und man nun auch beim anlegen eines Devices sehen kann ob Alexa unterstützt wird habe ich das mal versucht und es klappt auch alles soweit.
                                        Nur in der Alexa App erscheint immer noch nicht z.B. bei einem Dimmer der Slider zum Einstellen der Helligkeit.
                                        Mache ich hier etwas Falsch oder wird aktuell die Alexa v3 API noch nicht unterstützt?

                                        Auf alle Fälle sieht das ganze jetzt schon deutlich besser aus, weiter so 👍

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                                          apollon77 @mlengen last edited by

                                          @mlengen sagte in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

                                          Mache ich hier etwas Falsch oder wird aktuell die Alexa v3 API noch nicht unterstützt?

                                          Ne dazu kamen wir noch nicht. Die neue Version des Devices Adapters ist eine vorarbeit dazu

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                                            ple last edited by

                                            Moin Moin zusammen.
                                            So nach 8 Jahren fange ich auch mal mit Alias an, die Sanierung ist fast fertig und das KNX geraffel läuft soweit.
                                            Nun sollte auch mal eine Vis her. Meine alte aus Material Design Widget sollte nun abgelöst werden.
                                            Also habe ich mal geschaut, was sich so getan hat in den letzten Jahren.
                                            Zwischenzeitlich habe ich mal Homeassistant ausprobiert, Vis und App sind Top, der Rest ist viel Aufwand.
                                            Gira X1 dümpelt hier auch noch rum, aber naja.
                                            Lovelace hat mich bisher komplett überzeugt, eigene Cards können einfach importiert werden und sieht schick aus. Entitäten können auch automatisch gefunden werden, und da komm ich nun zum Problem.

                                            Da ich all meine Datenpunkte, die ich brauche als Alias ausführen möchte, kann ich diese auch jetzt mit allen Daten füllen. Rule, Datentyp, Einheiten, Read, Write usw.
                                            Auch das Verrechnen des Alias ist ne geniale Sache.

                                            Ein kleiner Vorschlag, falls der überhaupt umsetzbar ist.
                                            In den Ordner Alias und Userdata,
                                            kann es für die "rule" eine fest vorgegeben Liste geben? Der Vorteil wäre dann, dass man für die Vis Adapter ein mapping machen kann und nicht gleich jeder sein eigenes Süppchen kocht. Somit würden die entitäten beim Lovelace auch autmatisch gemappt werden können, aktuell ist unklar, welche rule man da haben muss.
                                            Das man nicht alle Adapterentwickler dahinbekommt ist mir schon klar und das die Arbeit beim User ist finde ich auch in Ordnung.

                                            Oder ist mein Ansatz total über und der Post kann gelöscht werden 🙂

                                            Gruß und Danke

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