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    • apollon77
      apollon77 @Stephan Schleich last edited by

      @Stephan-Schleich Aliasse sind nicht weg wenn DU Devices löschst. Wie kommst Du darauf?

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      • Stephan Schleich
        Stephan Schleich @apollon77 last edited by Stephan Schleich

        @apollon77 in den Objekten verschwindet doch immer alles was mit dem Adapter zu tun hatte, den man deinstalliert.
        Edit: Das Problem lag am Browser, Chache gelöscht und jetzt gehts wieder, so sah es aus
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        • apollon77
          apollon77 @Stephan Schleich last edited by

          @Stephan-Schleich Nur states die unter den Instanzobjekten des Adaters abgelegt sind. deviecs hat da nichts. Was sagt die Browser Konsole?

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          • Stephan Schleich
            Stephan Schleich @apollon77 last edited by Stephan Schleich

            @apollon77 sagte in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

            Browser Konsole

            @apollon77 Achso okay - danke, wusste nicht das diese nicht zusammen hängen.
            In der Browser Konsole hatte ich nicht nachgesehen als ich das Problem hatte, aber es lag am Browser Cache nun läufts wieder.

            Eine Frage noch sofern es hier rein gehört:
            Ich hab meine Klimaanlage via Alias angebunden nun würde ich im selben Objekt gerne noch die IP mit dazu nehmen ohne extra ein neues Objekt anzulegen, theoretisch müsste es doch mit z.b. working gehen da der typ any ist oder? es kommt aber nur true als value und nicht die IP
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            • apollon77
              apollon77 @Stephan Schleich last edited by

              @Stephan-Schleich Bitte nicht anfangen irgendwelche States zweck-zu-entfremden 🙂 WORKIGN hat eine semantische Bedeutung

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              • Stephan Schleich
                Stephan Schleich @apollon77 last edited by Stephan Schleich

                @apollon77 okay, könnte man ne Möglichkeit bieten selber weitere Felder mit hinzuzufügen bzw ein paar freie?

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                • apollon77
                  apollon77 @Stephan Schleich last edited by

                  @Stephan-Schleich Feature Request bitte im Github beim Devices Adapter 🙂

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                  • Stephan Schleich
                    Stephan Schleich @apollon77 last edited by

                    @apollon77 Wollt ich gerade machen, gibt es bereits 🙂 - https://github.com/ioBroker/ioBroker.devices/issues/18

                    sbormann created this issue in ioBroker/ioBroker.devices

                    closed Allow adding more states to device #18

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                    • apollon77
                      apollon77 @Stephan Schleich last edited by

                      @Stephan-Schleich Dann hinterlass ein "Daumen hoch" im ersten post

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                      • M
                        mlengen @apollon77 last edited by

                        @apollon77 Es ist hier so still geworden. Geht es hier noch weiter oder ist dieser Weg eine Sackgasse?

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                        • braindead
                          braindead Developer @mlengen last edited by

                          @mlengen In einem der letzten Dev Meetings wurde betont, dass Alias die Zukunft ist und der momentane Stand nur ein Zwischenstand ist. Was genau erwartest Du denn, was hier passieren soll?

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                          • apollon77
                            apollon77 @mlengen last edited by

                            @mlengen Tage ... 24h ... Privatleben ... andere Prios ... such Dir nen Grund aus ... ja es ist immer noch der Plan ...

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                            • K
                              kubi last edited by

                              Ich habe mal eine Frage zum Adapter Devices, wie kann ich selbst Aliase zusätzlich anlegen ?

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                              • V
                                Videonisse @apollon77 last edited by Videonisse

                                Sorry for late feedback but I just found this thread. I hope it's okey that I write in english as mein deutch ist leider nicht sehr gut (ich kann aber deutch gut lesen).

                                I'm thrilled to read about the enhancements in this area! This enables ioBroker to become smart 🙂

                                However, I would not use the Alexa Skills as a great Taxonomy for how to implement the metadata in ioBroker. Alexa is great and very flexible, but it lacks a good structure. For example, it only specifies 15 different Device types (Skill Device Templates). Google Assistant is much better; they have currently 78 Devices types for smart home area. Apple HomeKit has 23 (Accessory types).

                                Have I understood the proposed structure correctly that the Device top level will be called "Alias" and an alias then has a "Function", and below this, it will have one or more "Roles/Types" and these have different "States"?

                                Could you share how those different levels map to the Taxonomy used by, for example Alexa and Google?

                                Something else I would suggest is to not focus too much on Alexa and Google but use as much as possible from the already standardized and open framework from OpenConnectivity Foundation, the OCF Specification. The latest release is from July this year. They have already a huge amount of Devices types specified, 54 types for smart home and another 127 for appliances and other IoT devices. For the next level, they call it "Resource Types", they have specified 169 types. Most of the big players are members of OCF. Have you guys already looked at this spec and if so, what is your opinion about it?

                                For my own benefit, I have put a table together with how I understand the used Taxonomy and how they map. I also counted all the standardized types they currently have officially documented. Please, let me know if I misunderstood something.

                                2020-10-19 00_10_41-Smart home APIs Google Alexa Homekit.xlsx - Taxonomy mapping.png

                                Many thanks for the impressive work with ioBroker and all of the adapters!

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                                • V
                                  Videonisse @Videonisse last edited by Videonisse

                                  EDIT: I found an online tool showing all the device and resource types as well as enumerations: https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/devicemodels/docs/index.html

                                  Here is the list of OCF Universal Device types (Source: OCF spec Annex A)

                                  Device Category  / Device Type  / Normative
                                  
                                  Space Conditioning	
                                  	Air Conditioner	oic.d.airconditioner
                                  	Water Heater	oic.d.waterheater
                                  	Furnace	oic.d.furnace
                                  	Pump	oic.d.pump
                                  	Fan	oic.d.fan
                                  	Condensing Unit	oic.d.condensingunit
                                  	Condenser	oic.d.condenser
                                  	Humidifier	oic.d.humidifier
                                  	Dehumidifier	oic.d.dehumidifier
                                  	Thermostat	oic.d.thermostat
                                  	HVAC	oic.d.hvac
                                  	Air Purifier	oic.d.airpurifier
                                  	Air Quality Monitor	oic.d.airqualitymonitor
                                  
                                  Lighting
                                  	Lighting Controls	oic.d.lightingcontrol
                                  	Light	oic.d.light
                                  
                                  Appliance
                                  	Airer	oic.d.airer
                                  	Dryer (Laundry)	oic.d.dryer
                                  	"Washer (Laundry)"	oic.d.washer
                                  	Clothes Washer Dryer	oic.d.washerdryer
                                  	Dishwasher	oic.d.dishwasher
                                  	Freezer	oic.d.freezer
                                  	Ice Machine	oic.d.icemachine
                                  	Indoor Garden	oic.d.indoorgarden
                                  	Mattress	oic.d.mattress
                                  	Oven	oic.d.oven
                                  	Range	oic.d.range
                                  	Refrigerator	oic.d.refrigerator
                                  	Water Heater	oic.d.waterheater
                                  	Water Purifier	oic.d.waterpurifier
                                  	Cooker Hood	oic.d.cookerhood
                                  	Cooktop	oic.d.cooktop
                                  	Steam Closet	oic.d.steamcloset
                                  
                                  Electronics
                                  	Audio System	oic.d.audiosystem
                                  	AV Player	oic.d.avplayer
                                  	Camera	oic.d.camera
                                  	Desktop PC	oic.d.desktoppc
                                  	Notebook PC	oic.d.notebookpc
                                  	Server	oic.d.server
                                  	Computer	oic.d.pc
                                  	Data Storage Unit	oic.d.datastorageunit
                                  	Display	oic.d.display
                                  	Portable Electronics	oic.d.portableelectronics
                                  	Game Console	oic.d.gameconsole
                                  	3D Printer	oic.d.3dprinter
                                  	Printer	oic.d.printer
                                  	Printer Multi- Function	oic.d.multifunctionprinter
                                  	Scanner	oic.d.scanner
                                  	Musical Instrument	oic.d.musicalinstrument
                                  	Networking Equipment	oic.d.networking
                                  	Handset	oic.d.handset
                                  	Receiver	oic.d.receiver
                                  	Set Top Box	oic.d.stb
                                  	Telephony	oic.d.telephonydevice
                                  	Television	oic.d.tv
                                  	Active Speaker	oic.d.speaker
                                  	Electronics	oic.d.smallelectrical
                                  
                                  Miscellaneous
                                  	Air Compressor	oic.d.aircompressor
                                  	Bathroom General	oic.d.bathroomdevice
                                  	Battery Charger	oic.d.batterycharger
                                  	Business Equipment	oic.d.businessequipment
                                  	Robot Cleaner	oic.d.robotcleaner
                                  	Portable Stove	oic.d.portablestove
                                  	Exercise Machine	oic.d.exercisemachine
                                  	Portable HVAC	oic.d.hvacportable
                                  	Optical augmented RFID Reader	oic.d.orfid
                                  	Coffee Machine	oic.d.coffeemachine
                                  	Food Probe	oic.d.foodprobe
                                  	Grinder	oic.d.grinder
                                  	Kettle	oic.d.kettle
                                  	Decorative Lighting	oic.d.lightdecorative
                                  	Emergency Lighting	oic.d.lightemergency
                                  	Microwave Oven	oic.d.microwave
                                  	Vending Machine	oic.d.vendingmachine
                                  	Water Dispenser	oic.d.waterdispenser
                                  	Battery	oic.d.battery
                                  
                                  Infrastructure	
                                  	Water Valve	oic.d.watervalve
                                  	Blind	oic.d.blind
                                  	Door	oic.d.door
                                  	Garage Door	oic.d.garagedoor
                                  	Smart Lock	oic.d.smartlock
                                  	Window	oic.d.window
                                  	Fireplace	oic.d.fireplace
                                  	Pump	oic.d.pump
                                  	Energy Generator	oic.d.energygenerator
                                  	Smart Plug	oic.d.smartplug
                                  	Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter	oic.d.afci
                                  	Circuit Breaker	oic.d.circuitbreaker
                                  	Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter	oic.d.gfci
                                  	Inverter	oic.d.inverter
                                  	PV Array System	oic.d.pvarraysystem
                                  	Switch	oic.d.switch
                                  	Security Panel	oic.d.securitypanel
                                  	Generic Sensor	oic.d.sensor
                                  	Electric Meter	oic.d.electricmeter
                                  	Energy Monitor	oic.d.energymonitor
                                  
                                  Transportation	
                                  	Electric Vehicle Charger	oic.d.electricvehiclecharger
                                  
                                  Fitness	
                                  	Fitness Device	oic.d.fitnessdevice
                                  	Activity Tracker	oic.d.activitytracker
                                  	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
                                  	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
                                  	Cycling Power Meter	oic.d.cyclingpowermeter
                                  	Cycling Speed Sensor	oic.d.cyclingspeedsensor
                                  	Cycling Cadence Sensor	oic.d.cyclingcadencesensor
                                  	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
                                  	Muscle Oxygen Monitor	oic.d.muscleoxygenmonitor
                                  
                                  Medical	
                                  	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
                                  	Body Scale	oic.d.bodyscale
                                  	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
                                  	CGM	oic.d.cgm
                                  	Glucose Meter	oic.d.glucosemeter
                                  	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
                                  	Medical Device	oic.d.medicaldevice
                                  	Pulse Oximeter	oic.d.pulseoximeter
                                  	Sleep Monitor	oic.d.sleepmonitor
                                  
                                  Personal Health
                                  	Activity Tracker	oic.d.activitytracker
                                  	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
                                  	Body Composition Analyser	oic.d.bodycompositionanalys er
                                  	Body Scale	oic.d.bodyscale
                                  	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
                                  	CGM	oic.d.cgm
                                  	Glucose Meter	oic.d.glucosemeter
                                  	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
                                  	Personal Health Device	oic.d.personalhealthdevice
                                  	Pulse Oximeter	oic.d.pulseoximeter
                                  	Sleep Monitor	oic.d.sleepmonitor
                                  
                                  Other		oic.d.unknown
                                  	Access Management Service	oic.d.ams
                                  	Credential Management Service	oic.d.cms
                                  	Device Ownership Transfer Service	oic.d.dots
                                  

                                  And a list with the 169 Resource Type definitions

                                  Friendly Name (informative)	Resource Type (rt)
                                  3D Printer	oic.r.printer.3d
                                  Acceleration Sensor	oic.r.sensor.acceleration
                                  Activity	oic.r.activity
                                  Activity Count	oic.r.sensor.activity.count
                                  Activity Tracker Atomic Measurement	oic.r.activitytracker-am
                                  Air Flow	oic.r.airflow
                                  Air Flow Control	oic.r.airflowcontrol
                                  Air Quality	oic.r.airquality
                                  Air Quality Collection	oic.r.airqualitycollection
                                  Alarm	oic.r.alarm
                                  Altimeter	oic.r.altimeter
                                  Atmospheric Pressure	oic.r.sensor.atmosphericpressure
                                  Audio Controls	oic.r.audio
                                  Auto Focus	oic.r.autofocus
                                  Automatic Document Feeder	oic.r.automaticdocumentfeeder
                                  Auto White Balance	oic.r.colour.autowhitebalance
                                  Battery	oic.r.energy.battery
                                  Battery Material	oic.r.batterymaterial
                                  Body Composition Analyser Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bodycompositionanalyser-am
                                  Binary switch	oic.r.switch.binary
                                  Blood Pressure	oic.r.blood.pressure
                                  Blood Pressure Monitor Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bloodpressuremonitor-am
                                  BMI	oic.r.bmi
                                  Body Fat	oic.r.body.fat
                                  Body Fat Free Mass	oic.r.body.ffm
                                  Body Location Temperature	oic.r.body.location.temperature
                                  Body Scale Atomic Measurement	oic.r.body.scale-am
                                  Body Soft Lean Mass	oic.r.body.slm
                                  Body Thermometer Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bodythermometer-am
                                  Body Water	oic.r.body.water
                                  Brewing	oic.r.brewing
                                  Brightness	oic.r.light.brightness
                                  Button Switch	oic.r.button
                                  Cadence	oic.r.cadence
                                  Calibrate for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.calibrate
                                  Calorific Value	oic.r.calorificvalue
                                  Carbon Dioxide Sensor	oic.r.sensor.carbondioxide
                                  Carbon Monoxide Sensor	oic.r.sensor.carbonmonoxide
                                  Circuit Breaker (IEC 61850)	oic.r.circuitbreaker
                                  Clock	oic.r.clock
                                  Colour Chroma	oic.r.colour.chroma
                                  Colour Hue Saturation	oic.r.colour.hs
                                  Colour RGB	oic.r.colour.rgb
                                  Colour Saturation	oic.r.colour.saturation
                                  Colour Space Coordinates	oic.r.colour.csc
                                  Colour Temperature	oic.r.colour.colourtemperature
                                  Consumable	oic.r.consumable
                                  Consumable Collection	oic.r.consumablecollection
                                  Contact Sensor	oic.r.sensor.contact
                                  Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM) Atomic Measurement	oic.r.cgm-am
                                  Conversion Factor	oic.r.conversionfactor
                                  Cycling Power	oic.r.cyclingpower
                                  Delay Defrost	oic.r.delaydefrost
                                  Demand Response Load Control (DRLC)	oic.r.energy.drlc
                                  Deodorization	oic.r.deodorization
                                  Device Settings - Accessibility	oic.r.settings.accessibility
                                  Device Settings - Broadcasting	oic.r.settings.broadcasting
                                  Device Settings - Picture	oic.r.settings.picture
                                  Device Settings - Sound	oic.r.settings.sound
                                  Device Settings - Support	oic.r.settings.support
                                  Device Settings - System	oic.r.settings.system
                                  Dimming	oic.r.light.dimming
                                  Door	oic.r.door
                                  Ecomode	oic.r.ecomode
                                  Electric Vehicle Connector	oic.r.vehicle.connector
                                  Electrical Energy	oic.r.energy.electrical
                                  Energy Consumption	oic.r.energy.consumption
                                  Energy Generation	oic.r.energy.generation
                                  Energy Overload/Circuit Breaker	oic.r.energy.overload
                                  Energy Usage	oic.r.energy.usage
                                  Gas Consumption	oic.r.gas.consumption
                                  Gas Usage	oic.r.gas.usage
                                  Fault Interrupter Switch	oic.r.switch.fault
                                  Foaming	oic.r.foaming
                                  Generic Sensor	oic.r.sensor
                                  Geolocation Sensor	oic.r.sensor.geolocation
                                  Glass Break Sensor	oic.r.sensor.glassbreak
                                  Glucose	oic.r.glucose
                                  Glucose Meter Complex Carbohydrates	oic.r.glucose.carb
                                  Glucose Meter Exercise	oic.r.glucose.exercise
                                  Glucose Meter HbA1c	oic.r.glucose.hba1c
                                  Glucose Meter Context Health	oic.r.glucose.health
                                  Glucose Meter Context Meal	oic.r.glucose.meal
                                  Glucose Meter Context Medication	oic.r.glucose.medication
                                  Glucose Meter Atomic Measurement	oic.r.glucosemeter-am
                                  Glucose Meter Context Sample Location	oic.r.glucose.samplelocation
                                  Glucose Meter Context Tester	oic.r.glucose.tester
                                  Grinder	oic.r.grinder
                                  HVAC Capacity	
                                  Oic.r.hvac.capacity	6.157
                                  Heart Rate	oic.r.heartrate
                                  Heart Rate Monitor Atomic Measurement Representation	oic.r.heartratemonitor-am
                                  Heart Rate Zone Sensor	oic.r.sensor.heart.zone
                                  Heating Zone	oic.r.heatingzone
                                  Heating Zone Collection	oic.r.heatingzonecollection
                                  Height	oic.r.height
                                  Humidity	oic.r.humidity
                                  IAS Zone Info	oic.r.iaszoneinfo
                                  IAS Zone Collection	oic.r.iaszone
                                  Icemaker	oic.r.icemaker
                                  Illuminance Sensor	oic.r.sensor.illuminance
                                  Impact Sensor	oic.r.impactsensor
                                  Inverter (IEC 61850)	oic.r.inverter
                                  KeyCard Switch	oic.r.keycardswitch
                                  Keypad Character	oic.r.keypadchar
                                  Liquid Level	oic.r.liquid.level
                                  Lock	oic.r.lock.status
                                  Lock Code	oic.r.lock.code
                                  Magnetic Field Direction	oic.r.sensor.magneticfielddirection
                                  Media	oic.r.media
                                  Media Audio	oic.r.media.audio
                                  Media Core	oic.r.media.core
                                  Media Image	oic.r.media.image
                                  Media Source	oic.r.mediasource
                                  Media Source List	oic.r.mediasourcelist
                                  Media Source Input	oic.r.media.input
                                  Media Source Output	oic.r.media.output
                                  Media Text	oic.r.media.text
                                  Media Video	oic.r.media.video
                                  Mode	oic.r.mode
                                  Movement	oic.r.movement.linear
                                  Motion Sensor	oic.r.sensor.motion
                                  Muscle Oxygen Saturation	oic.r.muscleoxygensaturation
                                  Night Mode	oic.r.nightmode
                                  Opaque Data	oic.r.opaquedata
                                  Open Level	oic.r.openlevel
                                  Operational State	oic.r.operational.state
                                  Optical RFID Station	oic.r.orfid.station
                                  Optical RFID Tag	oic.r.orfid.tag
                                  Pan Tilt Zoom Movement	oic.r.ptz
                                  Power Source	oic.r.powersource
                                  Presence Sensor	oic.r.sensor.presence
                                  Print Queue	oic.r.printer.queue
                                  Pulsatile Characteristic for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.pulsatilecharacteristic
                                  Pulsatile Occurrence for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.pulsatileoccurrence
                                  Pulse Oximeter Atomic Measurement Representation	oic.r.pulseoximeter-am
                                  Pulse Rate	oic.r.pulserate
                                  PV array system connection terminal (IEC 61850)	oic.r pvconnectionterminal
                                  Ramp Time	oic.r.light.ramptime
                                  Refrigeration	oic.r.refrigeration
                                  Restricted Switch	oic.r.switch.restricted
                                  Sampling Interface for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.samplinginterval
                                  Selectable Levels	oic.r.selectablelevels
                                  Sensor for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.sensor
                                  Sensor Properties	oic.r.sensor.props
                                  Signal Strength	oic.r.signalstrength
                                  Sleep	oic.r.sleep
                                  Sleep Monitor Atomic Measurement Batch Representation	oic.r.sleepmonitor-am
                                  Sleep Sensor	oic.r.sensor.sleep
                                  Smoke Sensor	oic.r.sensor.smoke
                                  Speech Synthesis	oic.r.speech.tts
                                  Speed	oic.r.speed
                                  SpO2 for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.spo2
                                  Status for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.status
                                  Temperature	oic.r.temperature
                                  Three Axis Sensor	oic.r.sensor.threeaxis
                                  Threshold for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.threshold
                                  Time Period	oic.r.time.period
                                  Time Stamp	oic.r.time.stamp
                                  Torque	oic.r.torque
                                  Touch Sensor	oic.r.sensor.touch
                                  UV Radiation	oic.r.sensor.radiation.uv
                                  User ID	oic.r.userid
                                  User Info for Application Layer	oic.r.userinfo
                                  Value Conditional	oic.r.value.conditional
                                  Water Info	oic.r.waterinfo
                                  Water Sensor	oic.r.sensor.water
                                  Weight	oic.r.weight
                                  Window Covering	oic.r.windowcovering
                                  
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                                  • da_Woody
                                    da_Woody @kubi last edited by

                                    @kubi said in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

                                    Ich habe mal eine Frage zum Adapter Devices, wie kann ich selbst Aliase zusätzlich anlegen ?

                                    Alias anlegen

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                                    • Garfonso
                                      Garfonso Developer @Videonisse last edited by

                                      @Videonisse said in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

                                      Have I understood the proposed structure correctly that the Device top level will be called "Alias" and an alias then has a "Function", and below this, it will have one or more "Roles/Types" and these have different "States"?

                                      That is not how I understood it. It is more flexible and linked to the ioBroker way to do things. Currently all aliases have an ID that starts with alias.0. That probalby will stay that way.
                                      The proposed device templates are a thing of an object of type "device", i.e. it describes one physical / logical device. The devices in ioBroker usually have multiple states (which can be sensor readings or ways to control the device). Currently this is all very loose and very different for different device types / manufacturers. The idea of the device templates is to have, as an attribute of the device itself, a list of possible "functions" that such a device can have and with that create a mapping from function to existing states in ioBroker. So that an adapter that creates a visualisation or device for alexa / google home or similar can determine from the device object which states to use to control the device.

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                                        Videonisse @Garfonso last edited by Videonisse

                                        Isn't "Device templates" and (partly) "Alias" just a technical way how to implement the standardized metadata for a Device into ioBroker? I'm not a developer so I don't fully understand what's the best way forward on the technical level. But what I try to understand is the needs of the standardized data; What data and How will this be structured. I'm not sure what has been decided upon already and if the team still wants some feedback. What is the status?

                                        Currently several of mine Adapters has structured the ioBroker Objects into "Devices" and "Channels". Devices and channels can also be tagged with metadata "Roles" and "Functions". Also, the objects for "States" can/shall be tagged with those. So already, a lot of the technical structure is implemented.

                                        As I understand it, currently both Roles and Functions, however, lack details of which group of states that are mandatory as well as are optional to represent, for example, a Light. If this was standardized on all three levels; Device, Channel and State, it should be much easier to programmatically interact with other adapters for automation and visualisation.

                                        An important question must be how to standardize all of those possible Device types and the required data they must include as well as suggested additional Objects/States they may have and in which formats. To use a common Taxonomy and have agreed on a Semantic model should be very important. A lot of work is already invested in the ecosystems from Amazon Alexa, Apple HomeKit and Google Assistant and of course, it's a good idea to copy as much as possible from them. But as they are not complete, I think it would be even more important to use a more open and standardized data model to achieve Semantic interoperability. So far I can see, the most advanced and promising model for the Smart Home is today what OpenConnectivity Foundation can offer as part of their OCF Specification. Of course, if the Working Group Project Connected Home over IP would publish a Semantic specification it would perhaps be even greater, or? But if and when this will happen is hard to tell.

                                        Regarding Semantic model, here is some example from the OCF spec of Device Types and Resource Types respectively:

                                        2020-10-20 12_53_12-OCF Device Type overview - Example Required Resources.png
                                        Source: https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/devicemodels/docs/index.html

                                        2020-10-20 13_11_27-OCF_Resource_Type_Specification_v2.2.0.pdf - Example Light Dimming.png
                                        Source: OCF Spec v.2.2.0 Resource Types

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                                          Garfonso Developer @Videonisse last edited by

                                          @Videonisse said in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

                                          As I understand it, currently both Roles and Functions, however, lack details of which group of states that are mandatory as well as are optional to represent, for example, a Light. If this was standardized on all three levels; Device, Channel and State, it should be much easier to programmatically interact with other adapters for automation and visualisation.

                                          That is exactly the current situation, we have states in some structure of devices and channels associated with roles and they have types and flags of read/write. From all this the type-detector tries to derive a device type. This is quite brittle.
                                          So I understood the proposal to add a description of the device to the device object meta data where a developer can define a device type for the device in question and which states of the device offer which functionality of the device type. So the device-object would describe which device type it is and how to control it / read data from it.

                                          Of course those device templates need to be defined, collected and described somewhere. From what I understood, when there is talk about Alexa devices or Google home, then that is not exclusive but a "base set" of devices that should be somehow supported (because integration of those services currently is an important freature for iobroker). If there are definitions of device templates that are a superset of those, then it might be worth having a look.

                                          From what I understood this still is a proposal and has not been decided upon (but I could be wrong there).

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                                            Videonisse @Garfonso last edited by

                                            (feel free to write in German, this is still the Deutsche Abteilung 🙂 )

                                            I believe that the proposed Device Templates are similar to what OCF has defined with their Device Types and the mandatory, as well as optional, Resource Types. For example, the Device Type Light that has 1 mandatory and 5 optional Resource Types. Each of them has a machine-readable template available.

                                            Would be interesting to hear if @apollon77, or the other core developers, thinks this is something interesting for ioBroker or a plan is already set?

                                            Example

                                            {
                                                 "devicename": "Light",
                                                 "devicetype": "oic.d.light",
                                                 "vertical":   "Smart Home",
                                                 "resources": [
                                                   {"resourcetypetitle": "Binary Switch", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.switch.binary"}
                                                 ],
                                                 "recommendedresources": [
                                                   {"resourcetypetitle": "Colour Hue Saturation", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.colour.hs"},
                                                   {"resourcetypetitle": "Colour Space Co-ordinates", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.colour.csc"},
                                                   {"resourcetypetitle": "Colour Temperature", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.colour.colourtemperature"},
                                                   {"resourcetypetitle": "Dimming", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.light.dimming"},
                                                   {"resourcetypetitle": "Ramp Time", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.light.ramptime"}
                                                 ]
                                               }
                                            

                                            Source: https://github.com/openconnectivityfoundation/devicemodels/blob/master/oic.devicemap-content.json

                                            Example oic.r.light.dimming:

                                            {
                                              "swagger": "2.0",
                                              "info": {
                                                "title": "Dimming",
                                                "version": "2019-02-15",
                                                "license": {
                                                  "name": "OCF Data Model License",
                                                  "url": "https://github.com/openconnectivityfoundation/core/blob/e28a9e0a92e17042ba3e83661e4c0fbce8bdc4ba/LICENSE.md",
                                                  "x-copyright": "copyright 2016-2017, 2019 Open Connectivity Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved."
                                                },
                                                "termsOfService": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/core/DISCLAIMER.md"
                                              },
                                              "schemes": ["http"],
                                              "consumes": ["application/json"],
                                              "produces": ["application/json"],
                                              "paths": {
                                                "/DimmingResURI" : {
                                                  "get": {
                                                    "description": "This Resource describes a dimming function.\nThe Property \"dimmingSetting\" is an integer showing the current dimming level.\nIf Property \"step\" is present then it represents the increment between dimmer values.\nWhen the Property \"range\" is omitted, then the range is [0,100].\nA value of 0 means total dimming; a value of 100 means no dimming.",
                                                    "parameters": [
                                                      {"$ref": "#/parameters/interface"}
                                                    ],
                                                    "responses": {
                                                        "200": {
                                                          "description" : "",
                                                          "x-example":
                                                            {
                                                              "rt": ["oic.r.light.dimming"],
                                                              "if": ["oic.if.a", "oic.if.baseline"],
                                                              "dimmingSetting": 30,
                                                              "step": 5,
                                                              "range": [0, 100]
                                                            },
                                                          "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" }
                                                        }
                                                    }
                                                  },
                                                  "post": {
                                                    "description": "Sets the desired dimming level.\n",
                                                    "parameters": [
                                                      {"$ref": "#/parameters/interface"},
                                                      {
                                                        "name": "body",
                                                        "in": "body",
                                                        "required": true,
                                                        "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" },
                                                        "x-example":
                                                          {
                                                            "dimmingSetting": 40
                                                          }
                                                      }
                                                    ],
                                                    "responses": {
                                                        "200": {
                                                          "description" : "Indicates that the dimming was changed.\nThe new dimming level is provided in the response.\n",
                                                          "x-example":
                                                            {
                                                              "dimmingSetting": 40
                                                            },
                                                          "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" }
                                                        },
                                                        "403": {
                                                          "description": "This response is generated by the OCF Server when the client sends:\n  An update with an out of range property value for dimmingSetting.\nThe server responds with the current resource representation.\n",
                                                          "x-example":
                                                            {
                                                              "dimmingSetting": 40
                                                            },
                                                          "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" }
                                                        }
                                                    }
                                                  }
                                                }
                                              },
                                              "parameters": {
                                                "interface": {
                                                  "in": "query",
                                                  "name": "if",
                                                  "type": "string",
                                                  "enum": ["oic.if.a", "oic.if.baseline"]
                                                }
                                              },
                                              "definitions": {
                                                "Dimming" : {
                                                  "properties": {
                                                    "rt": {
                                                      "description": "The Resource Type.",
                                                      "items": {
                                                        "enum": ["oic.r.light.dimming"],
                                                        "maxLength": 64,
                                                        "type": "string"
                                                      },
                                                      "minItems": 1,
                                                      "uniqueItems": true,
                                                      "readOnly": true,
                                                      "type": "array"
                                                    },
                                                    "dimmingSetting": {
                                                      "description": "The current dimming value.",
                                                      "type": "integer"
                                                    },
                                                    "n": {
                                                        "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/core/schemas/oic.common.properties.core-schema.json#/definitions/n"
                                                    },
                                                    "id": {
                                                        "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/core/schemas/oic.common.properties.core-schema.json#/definitions/id"
                                                    },
                                                    "range": {
                                                        "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/IoTDataModels/schemas/oic.baseresource.properties-schema.json#/definitions/range_integer"
                                                    },
                                                    "step": {
                                                        "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/IoTDataModels/schemas/oic.baseresource.properties-schema.json#/definitions/step_integer"
                                                    },
                                                    "if": {
                                                      "description": "The OCF Interface set supported by this Resource.",
                                                      "items": {
                                                        "enum": [
                                                          "oic.if.a",
                                                          "oic.if.baseline"
                                                        ],
                                                        "type": "string"
                                                      },
                                                      "minItems": 2,
                                                      "uniqueItems": true,
                                                      "readOnly": true,
                                                      "type": "array"
                                                    }
                                                  },
                                                  "type": "object",
                                                  "required": ["dimmingSetting"]
                                                }
                                              }
                                            }
                                            

                                            Source: https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/IoTDataModels/DimmingResURI.swagger.json

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