Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht

Asgothian

@gaspode das ist ein Bug in der 3.0.1 - die sollten nach Installation von Github und folgendem Upload verfügbar sein.

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Asgothian

@gaspode Bitte vor dem Test nochmal von Github installieren.

Ich hab da eine Vermutung woran es liegt.

Bitte beim Test auch mal im externen Konverter das 'icon' entfernen - es ist denkbar das dieses aktuell noch bugged - das ist eine der Funktionen in 3.0.x die ich aktuell nicht sauber getestet bekomme.

arteck

@asgothian gibts da win problem mit den runnterladen von icons.. die scheinen in zigbee2mqtt nicht sauber abgelegt worden zu sein..

Gaspode

@asgothian @arteck

Da brat mir doch einer einen Storch. Ich hab jetzt nochmal ein Update auf die aktuellle GIT Version gemacht und davor die Zeile "External Converters" in der Konfiguration gelöscht. Es läuft! Auch die Icons sind jetzt wie von @Asgothian angekündigt da.

Und das Gerät, das in Adapter Version 1.x als externer Konverter betrieben wurde, wird jetzt als "Egony_Flower" erkannt, ganz ohne externen Konverter.

Also vielen Dank für die Hilfe, wenn mir noch was auffällt, melde ich es hier. Evtl. lässt sich was machen, damit ein (falscher?) externer Konverter nicht die ganze Instanz in den Abgrund reißt. Wenn ihr dazu noch Infos/Tests braucht, sagt einfach Bescheid.

Asgothian

@gaspode sagte in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

Also vielen Dank für die Hilfe, wenn mir noch was auffällt, melde ich es hier. Evtl. lässt sich was machen, damit ein (falscher?) externer Konverter nicht die ganze Instanz in den Abgrund reißt. Wenn ihr dazu noch Infos/Tests braucht, sagt einfach Bescheid.

Mach mal bitte die folgenden 2 Tests:

Konverter so wie oben gepostet. In der Konfiguration aktiv. Adapter starten
Konverter anpassen, das der icon Entry raus ist, Adapter starten.

Das der Sensor jetzt ohne externen Konverter erkannt wird ist kein Wunder - eine der Änderung zwischen 3.0.1 und 3.0.2 RC (Der Git Version) ist das eine neuere ZHC Version genutzt wird. Genau darüber kommen neue Geräte in den Adapter

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Gaspode

@asgothian said in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

Mach mal bitte die folgenden 2 Tests:

Konverter so wie oben gepostet. In der Konfiguration aktiv. Adapter starten
Konverter anpassen, das der icon Entry raus ist, Adapter starten.

Mach ich später auf dem Testsystem, sobald der neue Zigbee USB Stick da ist.

Gaspode

@asgothian said in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

Mach mal bitte die folgenden 2 Tests:

Konverter so wie oben gepostet. In der Konfiguration aktiv. Adapter starten
Konverter anpassen, das der icon Entry raus ist, Adapter starten.

Ich hab mal mit Test 2 angefangen. Der Crash ist auch ohne den icon entry reproduzierbar, s. log und Converter File.

zigbee_error.log
Flower_Neu_mod.js.txt

Brauchst du trotzdem den Test mit dem Original Converter File?

Asgothian

@gaspode war das mit dem Gerât für den der Konverter gemacht ist an dieser Instanz gepaired oder ohne ?

Gaspode

@asgothian said in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

@gaspode war das mit dem Gerât für den der Konverter gemacht ist an dieser Instanz gepaired oder ohne ?

Gerät war gepaired. Ohne Gerät ist soweit ich mich erinnern kann nix passiert.

Edit: Gerade nochmal probiert: Mit Converter in der Konfiguration und ohne passendes gepairtes Device startet der Adapter, Log:

2025-06-04 16:43:31.811 - info: zigbee.0 (16148) Got terminate signal TERMINATE_YOURSELF
2025-06-04 16:43:31.812 - info: zigbee.0 (16148) Halting zigbee adapter. Restart delay is at least 30 seconds.
2025-06-04 16:43:31.812 - info: zigbee.0 (16148) cleaning everything up...
2025-06-04 16:43:31.813 - info: zigbee.0 (16148) Saved local configuration data
2025-06-04 16:43:32.050 - info: zigbee.0 (16148) Closing Zigbee network, 0 seconds remaining
2025-06-04 16:43:35.816 - info: zigbee.0 (16148) Terminated (ADAPTER_REQUESTED_TERMINATION): Without reason
2025-06-04 16:44:10.068 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) starting. Version 3.0.1 (non-npm: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee) in C:/ioBroker/Zigbee/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v20.19.2, js-controller: 7.0.6
2025-06-04 16:44:10.081 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) Adapter ready - starting subsystems. Adapter is running in info mode.
2025-06-04 16:44:10.082 - warn: zigbee.0 (38644) trying to add "fz = require(../zigbee-herdsman-converters\dist/converters/fromZigbee)" to sandbox
2025-06-04 16:44:10.082 - warn: zigbee.0 (38644) trying to add "tz = require(../zigbee-herdsman-converters\dist/converters/toZigbee)" to sandbox
2025-06-04 16:44:10.082 - warn: zigbee.0 (38644) trying to add "exposes = require(../zigbee-herdsman-converters\dist/lib/exposes)" to sandbox
2025-06-04 16:44:10.083 - warn: zigbee.0 (38644) trying to add "reporting = require(../zigbee-herdsman-converters\dist/lib/reporting)" to sandbox
2025-06-04 16:44:10.083 - warn: zigbee.0 (38644) Trying to run sandbox for C:\ioBroker\Zigbee\iobroker-data\zigbee_0\Flower_Neu_mod.js
2025-06-04 16:44:10.084 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) Model Egony_Flower defined in external converter C:\ioBroker\Zigbee\iobroker-data\zigbee_0\Flower_Neu_mod.js
2025-06-04 16:44:10.084 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) added external converter using addExternalDefinition (0 ms)
2025-06-04 16:44:10.085 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) init localConfig
2025-06-04 16:44:10.120 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) delete old Backup files. keep only last 10
2025-06-04 16:44:10.121 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) --- creating device debug ---
2025-06-04 16:44:10.121 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) Autostart Zigbee subsystem
2025-06-04 16:44:10.121 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) Starting Adapter npm ...
2025-06-04 16:44:10.126 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee (Converters 23.35.0 Herdsman 4.0.0)
2025-06-04 16:44:10.126 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) configured transmit power : normal
2025-06-04 16:44:10.126 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) Starting Zigbee-Herdsman
2025-06-04 16:44:10.379 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) Zigbee-Herdsman started successfully with Coordinator firmware version: ZStack3x0 : 20210708 (2-1.2.7.1)
2025-06-04 16:44:10.379 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) Unable to disable LED, unsupported function.
2025-06-04 16:44:10.392 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d (addr 39209): SNZB-02D - SONOFF Temperature and humidity sensor with screen (EndDevice)
2025-06-04 16:44:10.392 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) Currently 1 devices are joined:
2025-06-04 16:44:10.392 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) Zigbee started
2025-06-04 16:44:10.397 - info: zigbee.0 (38644) debug devices set to []

Gaspode

Und noch eine Beobachtung:
ich habe jetzt auf einem Testrechner eine neue ioBroker Installation gemacht und den Zigbee Adapter von Github installiert. Angelernt habe ich zum Test eben den Feuchte-Sensor und einen SONOFF SNZB-02D Temperatursensor.
Beide Devices werden zwar aktualisiert, die Werte sind aber jetzt nach einigen Stunden immer noch alle Null.
Auf meinem produktiven ioBroker werden die Werte der Devices hingegen aktualisiert, so wie es sein soll. Die Devices dort wurden alle unter Version 1.x des Adapters angelernt.
Dauert das nach Anlernen der Geräte einfach lange, bis Werte kommen? Oder stimmt was nicht?
Ich hab für den Temperatursensor mal auf das Debug Icon geklickt, im Log sehe ich dann:

2025-06-04 17:21:57.789 - info: zigbee.0 (25192) debug devices set to ["08ddebfffeeddb0d"]
2025-06-04 17:22:10.759 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:O01 (1bc7) User state change of state zigbee.0.08ddebfffeeddb0d.temperature_units with value celsius (ack: false) from system.adapter.zigbee.0
2025-06-04 17:22:10.760 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:O02 (1bc7) Change state 'temperature_units' at device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 17:22:10.760 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:O03 (1bc7) Publishing to 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d of model SNZB-02D with temperature_units
2025-06-04 17:22:10.760 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:O04 (1bc7) convert temperature_units, "celsius", {} for device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d with Endpoint temperature_units
2025-06-04 17:31:22.592 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (8760) Zigbee Event of Type commandQueryNextImageRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandQueryNextImageRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":4105},"linkquality":144,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":28,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 17:31:22.593 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (8760) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandQueryNextImageRequest'
2025-06-04 17:31:22.593 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (8760) message received '{"linkquality":144}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 17:31:22.593 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (8760) value generated '144' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 17:31:23.032 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:SUCCESS (1bc7) convert result {"state":{"temperature_units":"celsius"}} for device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d
2025-06-04 17:31:25.601 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (9321) Zigbee Event of Type commandQueryNextImageRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandQueryNextImageRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":4105},"linkquality":147,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":29,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 17:31:25.602 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (9321) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandQueryNextImageRequest'
2025-06-04 17:31:25.603 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (9321) message received '{"linkquality":147}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 17:31:25.603 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (9321) value generated '147' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 17:31:28.609 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (9ee1) Zigbee Event of Type commandQueryNextImageRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandQueryNextImageRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":4105},"linkquality":120,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":30,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 17:31:28.611 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (9ee1) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandQueryNextImageRequest'
2025-06-04 17:31:28.611 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (9ee1) message received '{"linkquality":120}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 17:31:28.611 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (9ee1) value generated '120' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 17:31:31.620 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (aaa4) Zigbee Event of Type commandQueryNextImageRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandQueryNextImageRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":4105},"linkquality":150,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":31,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 17:31:31.621 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (aaa4) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandQueryNextImageRequest'
2025-06-04 17:31:31.621 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (aaa4) message received '{"linkquality":150}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 17:31:31.621 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (aaa4) value generated '150' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 17:31:34.631 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (b667) Zigbee Event of Type commandQueryNextImageRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandQueryNextImageRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":4105},"linkquality":147,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":33,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 17:31:34.632 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (b667) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandQueryNextImageRequest'
2025-06-04 17:31:34.632 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (b667) message received '{"linkquality":147}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 17:31:34.632 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (b667) value generated '147' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 17:32:00.797 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1c9d) Zigbee Event of Type commandToggle from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandToggle","data":{},"linkquality":132,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOnOff","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":35,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 17:32:00.798 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (1c9d) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOnOff' and type 'commandToggle'
2025-06-04 17:32:00.799 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1c9d) message received '{"linkquality":132}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 17:32:00.799 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (1c9d) value generated '132' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 17:32:24.184 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (77f8) Zigbee Event of Type commandToggle from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandToggle","data":{},"linkquality":117,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOnOff","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":42,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 17:32:24.186 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (77f8) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOnOff' and type 'commandToggle'
2025-06-04 17:32:24.186 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (77f8) message received '{"linkquality":117}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 17:32:24.186 - warn: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (77f8) value generated '117' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'

Die letzten paar Einträge kamen, als ich auf den kleinen Knopf des Sensors gedrückt habe. Die davor spontan.

Asgothian

@gaspode Lös mal eine Konfiguration über die Kachel aus. Warte bis die Meldung mit dem Timeout kommt, dann trigger den Sensor mit dem Button.

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Gaspode

@asgothian said in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

Lös mal eine Konfiguration über die Kachel aus. Warte bis die Meldung mit dem Timeout kommt, dann trigger den Sensor mit dem Button.

Ich hatte kurz nachdem ich meinen letzten Beitrag geschrieben habe, ein FW Update angestoßen. Das ist jetzt durch und siehe da, es kommen Werte für den Temperatursensor. Sory, das Update lief schon, als du geschrieben hast, deshalb konnte ich das nicht so testen.

Hier das Log:

2025-06-04 18:46:59.767  - [32minfo[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) Update of '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d' at 99.86%, +- 0 minutes remaining
2025-06-04 18:46:59.829  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (c2f5) Zigbee Event of Type commandImageBlockRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandImageBlockRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960,"fileOffset":263800,"maximumDataSize":63},"linkquality":162,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":2,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:46:59.831  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (c2f5) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandImageBlockRequest'
2025-06-04 18:46:59.831  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (c2f5) message received '{"linkquality":162}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:46:59.831  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (c2f5) value generated '162' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:00.329  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (c4e9) Zigbee Event of Type commandImageBlockRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandImageBlockRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960,"fileOffset":263850,"maximumDataSize":63},"linkquality":162,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":3,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:00.330  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (c4e9) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandImageBlockRequest'
2025-06-04 18:47:00.330  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (c4e9) message received '{"linkquality":162}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:00.330  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (c4e9) value generated '162' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:00.833  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (c6e0) Zigbee Event of Type commandImageBlockRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandImageBlockRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960,"fileOffset":263900,"maximumDataSize":63},"linkquality":162,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":4,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:00.834  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (c6e0) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandImageBlockRequest'
2025-06-04 18:47:00.834  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (c6e0) message received '{"linkquality":162}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:00.834  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (c6e0) value generated '162' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:01.334  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (c8d6) Zigbee Event of Type commandImageBlockRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandImageBlockRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960,"fileOffset":263950,"maximumDataSize":63},"linkquality":162,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":5,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:01.336  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (c8d6) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandImageBlockRequest'
2025-06-04 18:47:01.336  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (c8d6) message received '{"linkquality":162}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:01.336  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (c8d6) value generated '162' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:01.839  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (cacf) Zigbee Event of Type commandImageBlockRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandImageBlockRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960,"fileOffset":264000,"maximumDataSize":63},"linkquality":165,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":6,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:01.840  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (cacf) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandImageBlockRequest'
2025-06-04 18:47:01.840  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (cacf) message received '{"linkquality":165}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:01.840  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (cacf) value generated '165' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:02.338  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (ccc2) Zigbee Event of Type commandImageBlockRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandImageBlockRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960,"fileOffset":264050,"maximumDataSize":63},"linkquality":165,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":7,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:02.339  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (ccc2) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandImageBlockRequest'
2025-06-04 18:47:02.339  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (ccc2) message received '{"linkquality":165}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:02.339  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (ccc2) value generated '165' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:02.839  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (ceb7) Zigbee Event of Type commandImageBlockRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandImageBlockRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960,"fileOffset":264100,"maximumDataSize":63},"linkquality":165,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":8,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:02.841  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (ceb7) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandImageBlockRequest'
2025-06-04 18:47:02.841  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (ceb7) message received '{"linkquality":165}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:02.841  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (ceb7) value generated '165' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:03.389  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (d0dd) Zigbee Event of Type commandUpgradeEndRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandUpgradeEndRequest","data":{"status":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960},"linkquality":162,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":9,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:03.390  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (d0dd) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandUpgradeEndRequest'
2025-06-04 18:47:03.390  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (d0dd) message received '{"linkquality":162}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:03.390  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (d0dd) value generated '162' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:03.811  - [32minfo[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) Update of '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d' at 100%
2025-06-04 18:47:03.834  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (d29a) Zigbee Event of Type raw from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"raw","data":{"type":"Buffer","data":[13,23,18,10,1,7,23,18,0]},"linkquality":165,"groupID":0,"cluster":"manuSpecificAmazonWWAH","meta":{},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:03.835  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (d29a) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'manuSpecificAmazonWWAH' and type 'raw'
2025-06-04 18:47:03.835  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (d29a) message received '{"linkquality":165}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:03.835  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (d29a) value generated '165' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:18.686  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:Ida (0c9e) Device '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d' announced itself
2025-06-04 18:47:18.789  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (0d05) Zigbee Event of Type readResponse from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"readResponse","data":{"dateCode":"20250116","swBuildId":"2.3.0"},"linkquality":165,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genBasic","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":68,"frameControl":{"frameType":0,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":1,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:18.793  - [32minfo[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) Finished update of '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d', from '{"softwareBuildID":"1.0.9","dateCode":"20230105"}' to '{"softwareBuildID":"2.3.0","dateCode":"20250116"}'
2025-06-04 18:47:18.794  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (0d05) message received '{"linkquality":165}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:18.794  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (0d05) value generated '165' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:19.697  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1091) message received '{"available":true}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:19.697  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (1091) value generated 'true' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Available'
2025-06-04 18:47:19.697  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1091) message received '{"linkquality":10}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:19.697  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (1091) value generated '10' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.137  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1631) Zigbee Event of Type attributeReport from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"attributeReport","data":{"batteryPercentageRemaining":200},"linkquality":165,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genPowerCfg","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":1,"frameControl":{"frameType":0,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":1,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:21.140  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1631) message received '{"linkquality":165}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.140  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (1631) value generated '165' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.140  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1631) message received '{"battery":100}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.140  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (1631) value generated '100' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Battery percent'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.142  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1636) Zigbee Event of Type attributeReport from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"attributeReport","data":{"measuredValue":5550},"linkquality":162,"groupID":0,"cluster":"msRelativeHumidity","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":2,"frameControl":{"frameType":0,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":1,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:21.142  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1636) Zigbee Event of Type attributeReport from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"attributeReport","data":{"measuredValue":2580},"linkquality":162,"groupID":0,"cluster":"msTemperatureMeasurement","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":3,"frameControl":{"frameType":0,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":1,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:21.143  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1636) message received '{"linkquality":162}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.144  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (1636) value generated '162' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.144  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1636) message received '{"humidity":55.5}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.144  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (1636) value generated '55.5' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Humidity'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.144  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1636) message received '{"linkquality":162}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.144  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (1636) value generated '162' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.144  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (1636) message received '{"temperature":25.8}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:21.144  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (1636) value generated '25.8' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Temperature'
2025-06-04 18:47:23.696  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (2030) Zigbee Event of Type attributeReport from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"attributeReport","data":{"measuredValue":2580},"linkquality":165,"groupID":0,"cluster":"msTemperatureMeasurement","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":4,"frameControl":{"frameType":0,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":1,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:23.698  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (2032) Zigbee Event of Type attributeReport from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"attributeReport","data":{"measuredValue":5550},"linkquality":162,"groupID":0,"cluster":"msRelativeHumidity","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":5,"frameControl":{"frameType":0,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":1,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:47:23.699  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (2030) message received '{"linkquality":165}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:23.699  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (2030) value generated '165' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:23.699  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (2030) message received '{"temperature":25.8}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:23.699  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (2030) value generated '25.8' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Temperature'
2025-06-04 18:47:23.700  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (2032) message received '{"linkquality":162}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:23.700  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (2032) value generated '162' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:47:23.700  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (2032) message received '{"humidity":55.5}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:47:23.700  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (2032) value generated '55.5' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Humidity'
2025-06-04 18:50:59.762  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (6c32) Zigbee Event of Type commandQueryNextImageRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandQueryNextImageRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960},"linkquality":168,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":6,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:50:59.764  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (6c32) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandQueryNextImageRequest'
2025-06-04 18:50:59.764  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (6c32) message received '{"linkquality":168}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:50:59.764  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (6c32) value generated '168' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:51:02.772  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (77f4) Zigbee Event of Type commandQueryNextImageRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandQueryNextImageRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960},"linkquality":168,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":7,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:51:02.774  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (77f4) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandQueryNextImageRequest'
2025-06-04 18:51:02.774  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (77f4) message received '{"linkquality":168}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:51:02.774  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (77f4) value generated '168' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:51:05.779  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (83b3) Zigbee Event of Type commandQueryNextImageRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandQueryNextImageRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960},"linkquality":168,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":8,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:51:05.781  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (83b3) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandQueryNextImageRequest'
2025-06-04 18:51:05.781  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (83b3) message received '{"linkquality":168}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:51:05.781  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (83b3) value generated '168' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:51:08.789  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (8f75) Zigbee Event of Type commandQueryNextImageRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandQueryNextImageRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960},"linkquality":168,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":9,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:51:08.790  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (8f75) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandQueryNextImageRequest'
2025-06-04 18:51:08.790  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (8f75) message received '{"linkquality":168}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:51:08.790  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (8f75) value generated '168' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'
2025-06-04 18:51:11.798  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (9b36) Zigbee Event of Type commandQueryNextImageRequest from device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d, incoming event: {"type":"commandQueryNextImageRequest","data":{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4742,"imageType":2053,"fileVersion":8960},"linkquality":168,"groupID":0,"cluster":"genOta","meta":{"zclTransactionSequenceNumber":10,"frameControl":{"frameType":1,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":0,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0}},"endpoint_id":1}
2025-06-04 18:51:11.800  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:NOCONV (9b36) No converter available for 'SNZB-02D' '08ddebfffeeddb0d' with cluster 'genOta' and type 'commandQueryNextImageRequest'
2025-06-04 18:51:11.800  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I01 (9b36) message received '{"linkquality":168}' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d type 'SNZB-02D'
2025-06-04 18:51:11.800  - [33mwarn[39m: zigbee.0 (25192) ELEVATED:I02 (9b36) value generated '168' from device 08ddebfffeeddb0d for 'Link quality'

Leider gibt es für den Feuchtesensor kein Update bzw. das Gerät unterstützt anscheinend kein OTA Update.

Gaspode

@asgothian said in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

Lös mal eine Konfiguration über die Kachel aus. Warte bis die Meldung mit dem Timeout kommt, dann trigger den Sensor mit dem Button.

Also am Bodenfeuchte-Sensor (der mit dem ehemals externen Konverter) hat dieses Vorgehen anscheinend geholfen. Kann aber auch Zufall sein. Ist halt immer schwer zu sagen.

Zum Verhalten des SONOFF SNZB-02D Temperatursensors nach Anlernen und vor Software Update: Ich hab noch einen in Originalverpackung, der zum gleichen Zeitpunkt wie der andere gekauft wurde. Bringt es was, wenn ich mit dem nochmal teste? Was sollte ich dann an Debug Einstellungen vornehmen, damit ihr was damit anfangen könnt?

Asgothian

@gaspode sagte in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

@asgothian said in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

Lös mal eine Konfiguration über die Kachel aus. Warte bis die Meldung mit dem Timeout kommt, dann trigger den Sensor mit dem Button.

Also am Bodenfeuchte-Sensor (der mit dem ehemals externen Konverter) hat dieses Vorgehen anscheinend geholfen. Kann aber auch Zufall sein. Ist halt immer schwer zu sagen.

Zum Verhalten des SONOFF SNZB-02D Temperatursensors nach Anlernen und vor Software Update: Ich hab noch einen in Originalverpackung, der zum gleichen Zeitpunkt wie der andere gekauft wurde. Bringt es was, wenn ich mit dem nochmal teste? Was sollte ich dann an Debug Einstellungen vornehmen, damit ihr was damit anfangen könnt?

Zufall sollte das nicht sein - siehe diesen Post zum Thema Konfiguration etc. Zufall ist eher das die Konfiguration beim Anlernen des Sensors nicht erfolgt ist.

Was du testen kannst:

den aktiven Sonoff Sensor aus dem Netz werfen
den Sensor zurück setzen
den Sensor neu anlernen.

In dieser Kette wird er

die Konfiguration verlieren
kein Firmware-Update anstossen, und damit 'normal' dem Netz beitreten
dann hoffentlich durch ein reconfigure nach diesem Muster Daten senden.

Der gleiche Test mit dem neuen Sensor ist eher nicht interessant - ich gehe davon aus das auch dieser sich ein Firmware-Update ziehen wird.

Das ist einer der Punkte dem ich noch nachgehen muss - warum beim Start des Herdsman und /oder beim Anlernen automatisch ein Firmware-Update angestossen wird.

Gaspode

@asgothian said in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

Das ist einer der Punkte dem ich noch nachgehen muss - warum beim Start des Herdsman und /oder beim Anlernen automatisch ein Firmware-Update angestossen wird.

Nur, damit wir nicht aneinander vorbei reden: Das FW Update wurde nicht automatisch gemacht, das habe ich veranlasst. Erst "Prüfen" im Adapter gedrückt, dann auf das Update Icon beim Device. Und erst dann kamen die Daten.

@asgothian said in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

Was du testen kannst:

den aktiven Sonoff Sensor aus dem Netz werfen
den Sensor zurück setzen
den Sensor neu anlernen.

Heißt "aus dem Netz werfen" das Delete Icon auf der Device Kachel drücken?
Das hab ich jetzt gemacht. In der Anleitung des Devices steht nix davon, wie man es zurück setzen kann. Ich hab jetzt mal den einzigen Button für >10 Sekunden gedrückt und anschließend kurz die Batterie raus genommen.
Nach dem Neu Anlernen waren die Werte sofort da.

Edit:
@asgothian said in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

siehe diesen Post zum Thema Konfiguration etc.

Ach ja, und Danke für die Erklärung.

Gaspode

@asgothian

Und noch eine Beobachtung, da bin ich mir aber nicht sicher, ob das Verhalten nicht schon in Version 1 ähnlich war und es in Version 3 jetzt durch die Ausgabe von Fehlermeldungen eher auffällt.

Wenn ich in meinem Produktivsystem die Map generieren lasse, bekomme ich 5 Fehler gemeldet:

Map generation messages
Failed to execute LQI for '0x00124bXXXXXXXXXX (undefined') : Timeout.           --> Coordinator
Failed to collect routing table for '0xa4c137XXXXXXXXXX (TS011F') : Timeout     --> Steckdose
Failed to collect routing table for '0xa4c138XXXXXXXXXX (TS011F') : Timeout     --> Steckdose
Failed to collect routing table for '0x00124bXXXXXXXXXX (undefined') : Timeout  --> Coordinator
Failed to collect routing table for '0xa4c139XXXXXXXXXX (TS011F') : Timeout     --> Steckdoes

Das erste ist der Coordinator, die anderen Lidl Schaltsteckdosen des Typs Lidl HG08673. Von denen hab ich genau drei im Netz. Ich hab noch zwei weitere Steckdosen von Lidl, allerdings Lidl HG06337. Die tauchen nicht auf. In der Map selbst werden Verbindungen der drei Steckdosen angezeigt. Rekonfigurieren der Steckdosen funktioniert sofort, behebt den Effekt aber nicht.

Allerdings gibt es 4 Devices, die in der Map rot und nicht verbunden angezeigt werden. Diese funktionieren aber und von der Lage her es ist sehr wahrscheinlich, dass sie entweder direkt am Coordinator oder an einer der drei Steckdosen hängen.
Bei diesen Devices handelt es sich um zwei Aqara SJCGQ11LM, einen Tuya TS0042 und zwei Aqara WSDCGQ11LM. Alle lassen sich rekonfigurieren, alle funktionieren und von allen Typen bis auf den Tuya TS0042 habe ich noch weitere Devices im Netz.

Ist das für den Test interessant? Wenn du noch was brauchst, sag Bescheid.

Edit: Ach ja, Coordinator:

    type:ZStack3x0
    version:2-1.2.7.1.
    revision:20210708
    port:COM4
    channel:11

Es handelt sich um diesen Stick: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B09KXTCMSC

arteck

@gaspode sagte in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

20210708

bissel alt..

Gaspode

@arteck said in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

bissel alt..

Und das ist ein Problem? Ich hab mich bisher noch nicht an ein Update ran getraut.

Der zweite, den ich diese Woche bestellt habe, ist übrigens auf dem gleichen Stand. :pensive:

Edit: Nur damit ich nicht missverstanden werde: Ich will beim Testen helfen, nicht jemandem auf die Nerven gehen. Prinzipiell läuft der Adapter rund und unter normalen Umständen, würde ich jetzt einfach die Finger davon lassen. ;)

Gaspode

OK, ich habe jetzt zunächst auf meinem kleinen Testsystem mit 2 Devices die Coordinator Software auf den aktuellen Stand gebracht.

    type:ZStack3x0
    version:2-1.2.7.1.
    revision:20240710
    port:COM11
    channel:20

Nach dem Neustart wurden zwar beide Geräte angezeigt, waren aber disconnected. Nach etwa drei Minuten hab ich den Adapter neu gestartet. Leider auch keine Änderung. Nach dem Neu Anlernen sind die beiden Geräte jetzt wieder connected und liefern Daten. Ich dachte iegentlich, der Adapter kümmert sich darum, dass die Geräte nach Coordinator Update wieder automatisch am Coordinator angemeldet werden. Oder hab ich da was falsch verstanden?

Edit: Ach ja, ein Log gibt es auch:

2025-06-07 09:55:11.516 - info: host.Zigbee "system.adapter.zigbee.0" enabled
2025-06-07 09:55:11.697 - info: host.Zigbee instance system.adapter.zigbee.0 in version "3.0.1" (non-npm: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee) started with pid 16772
2025-06-07 09:55:12.720 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) starting. Version 3.0.1 (non-npm: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee) in C:/ioBroker/Zigbee/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v20.19.2, js-controller: 7.0.6
2025-06-07 09:55:12.732 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Adapter ready - starting subsystems. Adapter is running in info mode.
2025-06-07 09:55:12.733 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) init localConfig
2025-06-07 09:55:12.769 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) delete old Backup files. keep only last 10
2025-06-07 09:55:12.770 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) --- creating device debug ---
2025-06-07 09:55:12.770 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Autostart Zigbee subsystem
2025-06-07 09:55:12.771 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Starting Adapter npm ...
2025-06-07 09:55:12.775 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee (Converters 23.35.0 Herdsman 4.0.0)
2025-06-07 09:55:12.775 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) configured transmit power : normal
2025-06-07 09:55:12.775 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Starting Zigbee-Herdsman
2025-06-07 09:55:23.896 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) List of port: [{"path":"COM1","manufacturer":"(Standardanschlusstypen)","pnpId":"ACPI\\PNP0501\\0","friendlyName":"Kommunikationsanschluss (COM1)"},{"path":"COM11","manufacturer":"Silicon Labs","serialNumber":"DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","pnpId":"USB\\VID_10C4&PID_EA60\\DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","locationId":"Port_#0003.Hub_#0004","friendlyName":"Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge (COM11)","vendorId":"10C4","productId":"EA60"}]
2025-06-07 09:55:31.535 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) List of port: [{"path":"COM1","manufacturer":"(Standardanschlusstypen)","pnpId":"ACPI\\PNP0501\\0","friendlyName":"Kommunikationsanschluss (COM1)"},{"path":"COM11","manufacturer":"Silicon Labs","serialNumber":"DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","pnpId":"USB\\VID_10C4&PID_EA60\\DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","locationId":"Port_#0003.Hub_#0004","friendlyName":"Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge (COM11)","vendorId":"10C4","productId":"EA60"}]
2025-06-07 09:55:40.224 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Zigbee-Herdsman started successfully with Coordinator firmware version: ZStack3x0 : 20240710 (2-1.2.7.1)
2025-06-07 09:55:40.232 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Unable to disable LED, unsupported function.
2025-06-07 09:55:40.232 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) No devices are currently joined.
2025-06-07 09:55:40.233 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Zigbee started
2025-06-07 09:55:42.226 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) List of port: [{"path":"COM1","manufacturer":"(Standardanschlusstypen)","pnpId":"ACPI\\PNP0501\\0","friendlyName":"Kommunikationsanschluss (COM1)"},{"path":"COM11","manufacturer":"Silicon Labs","serialNumber":"DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","pnpId":"USB\\VID_10C4&PID_EA60\\DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","locationId":"Port_#0003.Hub_#0004","friendlyName":"Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge (COM11)","vendorId":"10C4","productId":"EA60"}]
2025-06-07 09:55:49.875 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Collecting Map Data
2025-06-07 09:55:49.891 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Map data collection complete
2025-06-07 09:55:51.670 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Collecting Map Data
2025-06-07 09:55:51.684 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Map data collection complete
2025-06-07 09:55:54.405 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Collecting Map Data
2025-06-07 09:55:54.425 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Map data collection complete
2025-06-07 09:55:56.160 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Collecting Map Data
2025-06-07 09:55:56.174 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Map data collection complete
2025-06-07 09:55:56.818 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Collecting Map Data
2025-06-07 09:55:56.832 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Map data collection complete
2025-06-07 09:55:57.414 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Collecting Map Data
2025-06-07 09:55:57.430 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Map data collection complete
2025-06-07 09:55:57.914 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Collecting Map Data
2025-06-07 09:55:57.928 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Map data collection complete
2025-06-07 09:55:58.349 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Collecting Map Data
2025-06-07 09:55:58.364 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Map data collection complete
2025-06-07 09:56:14.323 - warn: zigbee.0 (16772) Blocked interview for 'undefined' because the network is closed
2025-06-07 09:56:32.079 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) List of port: [{"path":"COM1","manufacturer":"(Standardanschlusstypen)","pnpId":"ACPI\\PNP0501\\0","friendlyName":"Kommunikationsanschluss (COM1)"},{"path":"COM11","manufacturer":"Silicon Labs","serialNumber":"DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","pnpId":"USB\\VID_10C4&PID_EA60\\DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","locationId":"Port_#0003.Hub_#0004","friendlyName":"Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge (COM11)","vendorId":"10C4","productId":"EA60"}]
2025-06-07 09:56:49.892 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) List of port: [{"path":"COM1","manufacturer":"(Standardanschlusstypen)","pnpId":"ACPI\\PNP0501\\0","friendlyName":"Kommunikationsanschluss (COM1)"},{"path":"COM11","manufacturer":"Silicon Labs","serialNumber":"DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","pnpId":"USB\\VID_10C4&PID_EA60\\DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","locationId":"Port_#0003.Hub_#0004","friendlyName":"Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge (COM11)","vendorId":"10C4","productId":"EA60"}]
2025-06-07 09:57:00.864 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Collecting Map Data
2025-06-07 09:57:24.458 - error: zigbee.0 (16772) Failed to interview '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d', device has not successfully been paired. Try again !!!!!!!!!!
2025-06-07 09:57:43.318 - warn: zigbee.0 (16772) Blocked interview for 'undefined' because the network is closed
2025-06-07 09:57:52.576 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) List of port: [{"path":"COM1","manufacturer":"(Standardanschlusstypen)","pnpId":"ACPI\\PNP0501\\0","friendlyName":"Kommunikationsanschluss (COM1)"},{"path":"COM11","manufacturer":"Silicon Labs","serialNumber":"DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","pnpId":"USB\\VID_10C4&PID_EA60\\DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","locationId":"Port_#0003.Hub_#0004","friendlyName":"Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge (COM11)","vendorId":"10C4","productId":"EA60"}]
2025-06-07 09:58:04.417 - info: host.Zigbee stopInstance system.adapter.zigbee.0 (force=false, process=true)
2025-06-07 09:58:04.418 - info: host.Zigbee stopInstance system.adapter.zigbee.0 send kill signal
2025-06-07 09:58:04.413 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Got terminate signal TERMINATE_YOURSELF
2025-06-07 09:58:04.414 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Halting zigbee adapter. Restart delay is at least 30 seconds.
2025-06-07 09:58:04.414 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) cleaning everything up...
2025-06-07 09:58:04.415 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Saved local configuration data
2025-06-07 09:58:04.645 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Closing Zigbee network, 0 seconds remaining
2025-06-07 09:58:08.425 - info: zigbee.0 (16772) Terminated (ADAPTER_REQUESTED_TERMINATION): Without reason
2025-06-07 09:58:08.974 - info: host.Zigbee instance system.adapter.zigbee.0 terminated with code 11 (ADAPTER_REQUESTED_TERMINATION)
2025-06-07 09:58:41.642 - info: host.Zigbee instance system.adapter.zigbee.0 in version "3.0.1" (non-npm: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee) started with pid 34832
2025-06-07 09:58:42.673 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) starting. Version 3.0.1 (non-npm: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee) in C:/ioBroker/Zigbee/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v20.19.2, js-controller: 7.0.6
2025-06-07 09:58:42.685 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Adapter ready - starting subsystems. Adapter is running in info mode.
2025-06-07 09:58:42.686 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) init localConfig
2025-06-07 09:58:42.722 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) delete old Backup files. keep only last 10
2025-06-07 09:58:42.723 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) --- creating device debug ---
2025-06-07 09:58:42.723 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Autostart Zigbee subsystem
2025-06-07 09:58:42.724 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Starting Adapter npm ...
2025-06-07 09:58:42.728 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee (Converters 23.35.0 Herdsman 4.0.0)
2025-06-07 09:58:42.728 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) configured transmit power : normal
2025-06-07 09:58:42.728 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Starting Zigbee-Herdsman
2025-06-07 09:58:42.935 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Zigbee-Herdsman started successfully with Coordinator firmware version: ZStack3x0 : 20240710 (2-1.2.7.1)
2025-06-07 09:58:42.936 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Unable to disable LED, unsupported function.
2025-06-07 09:58:42.983 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d (addr 7386): Unsupported (model undefined)(Unknown)
2025-06-07 09:58:42.983 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Currently 1 devices are joined:
2025-06-07 09:58:42.983 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Zigbee started
2025-06-07 09:58:42.987 - warn: zigbee.0 (34832) download icon undefined for undefined Device not available. Check your devices.
2025-06-07 09:58:42.990 - warn: zigbee.0 (34832) Device 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d "undefined" not found.
2025-06-07 09:59:16.469 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) List of port: [{"path":"COM1","manufacturer":"(Standardanschlusstypen)","pnpId":"ACPI\\PNP0501\\0","friendlyName":"Kommunikationsanschluss (COM1)"},{"path":"COM11","manufacturer":"Silicon Labs","serialNumber":"DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","pnpId":"USB\\VID_10C4&PID_EA60\\DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","locationId":"Port_#0003.Hub_#0004","friendlyName":"Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge (COM11)","vendorId":"10C4","productId":"EA60"}]
2025-06-07 09:59:27.693 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Opening zigbee Network for 60 seconds
2025-06-07 09:59:33.296 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d' left the network
2025-06-07 09:59:33.297 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) debug devices set to []
2025-06-07 09:59:33.307 - info: history.0 (31492) disabled logging of zigbee.0.08ddebfffeeddb0d.humidity
2025-06-07 09:59:33.313 - info: history.0 (31492) disabled logging of zigbee.0.08ddebfffeeddb0d.temperature
2025-06-07 09:59:39.637 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Starting interview of '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d'
2025-06-07 09:59:41.686 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d' announced itself
2025-06-07 09:59:49.789 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d' left the network
2025-06-07 09:59:53.298 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Starting interview of '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d'
2025-06-07 09:59:55.322 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d' announced itself
2025-06-07 10:00:14.189 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Starting interview of '0x00124b00272cefda'
2025-06-07 10:00:14.420 - warn: zigbee.0 (34832) Device 0x00124b00272cefda "Egony_Flower" not found.
2025-06-07 10:00:15.210 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Successfully interviewed '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d', device has successfully been paired
2025-06-07 10:00:15.210 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d' is supported, identified as: SONOFF Temperature and humidity sensor with screen (SNZB-02D)
2025-06-07 10:00:15.715 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Successfully interviewed '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d', device has successfully been paired
2025-06-07 10:00:15.715 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x08ddebfffeeddb0d' is supported, identified as: SONOFF Temperature and humidity sensor with screen (SNZB-02D)
2025-06-07 10:00:15.802 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Successfully interviewed '0x00124b00272cefda', device has successfully been paired
2025-06-07 10:00:15.802 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x00124b00272cefda' is supported, identified as: EFEKTA Soil moisture sensor Egony_Flower, mod DIYRuZ Flower (Egony_Flower)
2025-06-07 10:00:20.265 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x00124b00272cefda' left the network
2025-06-07 10:00:20.272 - info: history.0 (31492) disabled logging of zigbee.0.00124b00272cefda.illuminance_raw
2025-06-07 10:00:20.280 - info: history.0 (31492) disabled logging of zigbee.0.00124b00272cefda.soil_moisture
2025-06-07 10:00:27.702 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Closing Zigbee network, 1 seconds remaining
2025-06-07 10:00:33.594 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Opening zigbee Network for 60 seconds
2025-06-07 10:00:47.115 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Starting interview of '0x00124b00272cefda'
2025-06-07 10:00:47.886 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x00124b00272cefda' announced itself
2025-06-07 10:00:49.266 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Successfully interviewed '0x00124b00272cefda', device has successfully been paired
2025-06-07 10:00:49.266 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x00124b00272cefda' is supported, identified as: EFEKTA Soil moisture sensor Egony_Flower, mod DIYRuZ Flower (Egony_Flower)
2025-06-07 10:01:06.701 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Configuring 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d SNZB-02D
2025-06-07 10:01:15.575 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) DeviceConfigure successful 0x08ddebfffeeddb0d SNZB-02D
2025-06-07 10:01:28.199 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Configuring 0x00124b00272cefda Egony_Flower
2025-06-07 10:01:33.602 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Closing Zigbee network, 1 seconds remaining
2025-06-07 10:01:35.336 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) DeviceConfigure successful 0x00124b00272cefda Egony_Flower
2025-06-07 10:01:46.561 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Collecting Map Data
2025-06-07 10:01:46.580 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Map data collection complete
2025-06-07 10:02:05.781 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) List of port: [{"path":"COM1","manufacturer":"(Standardanschlusstypen)","pnpId":"ACPI\\PNP0501\\0","friendlyName":"Kommunikationsanschluss (COM1)"},{"path":"COM11","manufacturer":"Silicon Labs","serialNumber":"DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","pnpId":"USB\\VID_10C4&PID_EA60\\DEDF4C6EF26BEF119385A3ADC169B110","locationId":"Port_#0003.Hub_#0004","friendlyName":"Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge (COM11)","vendorId":"10C4","productId":"EA60"}]
2025-06-07 10:02:25.237 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x00124b00272cefda' announced itself
2025-06-07 10:02:53.358 - info: zigbee.0 (34832) Device '0x00124b00272cefda' announced itself

Asgothian

@gaspode sagte in Tester Zigbee Adapter 3.x gesucht:

Ich dachte iegentlich, der Adapter kümmert sich darum, dass die Geräte nach Coordinator Update wieder automatisch am Coordinator angemeldet werden. Oder hab ich da was falsch verstanden?

Das ist von Koordinator zu Koordinator unterschiedlich. Im Normalfall reicht es, das Netzwerk zu öffnen und die Geräte zu triggern, so das sie sich verbinden. Gegebenenfalls ist eine Neukonfiguration notwendig.

Insbesondere in der Kombination CC2531 und Aufsetzen des Netzwerks mit Adapter 2.0.5 kann es passieren das sich die effektive IEEE des Netzes beim Firmware-Update ändert was zu einem erzwungenen Neuanlernen führt.

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