[gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht
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@manuel001 sagte in iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht mehr:
Aber woran kann das liegen? Das habe ich vorher auch schon x-mal probiert.
Du hast aber die aktuellen DBs schon "gelöscht" gehabt, oder?
@homoran sagte in iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht mehr:
Du hast aber die aktuellen DBs schon "gelöscht" gehabt, oder?
? Das weiß ich doch nicht... :-)
@Manuel001
System auf Stand halten, da sehe ich alte Kernelversionen und nodejs-Versionen. -
@homoran sagte in iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht mehr:
Du hast aber die aktuellen DBs schon "gelöscht" gehabt, oder?
? Das weiß ich doch nicht... :-)
@Manuel001
System auf Stand halten, da sehe ich alte Kernelversionen und nodejs-Versionen.@thomas-braun sagte in iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht mehr:
? Das weiß ich doch nicht...
@manuel001 sagte in iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht mehr:
pi@iobroker:/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data $ mv objects.json objects.json.old
pi@iobroker:/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data $ mv states.json states.json.old -
@homoran sagte in iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht mehr:
Du hast aber die aktuellen DBs schon "gelöscht" gehabt, oder?
? Das weiß ich doch nicht... :-)
@Manuel001
System auf Stand halten, da sehe ich alte Kernelversionen und nodejs-Versionen.@thomas-braun sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
System auf Stand halten, da sehe ich alte Kernelversionen und nodejs-Versionen.
Jetzt habe ich nodejs aktualisiert.
Dafür geht die Hälfte wieder nicht mehr. Das ist der Grund weshalb ich die ständigen Updates meide.
Konkret bekomme ich jetzt folgende Meldung im NodeRed:
Allerdings gibt es ja den Paletten verwalten Eintrag auch nicht mehr.
Ich versuche es jetzt mal hiermit:
https://forum.iobroker.net/topic/34681/kein-paletten-verwalten-im-neuen-node-red-adapter -
@thomas-braun sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
System auf Stand halten, da sehe ich alte Kernelversionen und nodejs-Versionen.
Jetzt habe ich nodejs aktualisiert.
Dafür geht die Hälfte wieder nicht mehr. Das ist der Grund weshalb ich die ständigen Updates meide.
Konkret bekomme ich jetzt folgende Meldung im NodeRed:
Allerdings gibt es ja den Paletten verwalten Eintrag auch nicht mehr.
Ich versuche es jetzt mal hiermit:
https://forum.iobroker.net/topic/34681/kein-paletten-verwalten-im-neuen-node-red-adapter@manuel001 sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
Dafür geht die Hälfte wieder nicht mehr. Das ist der Grund weshalb ich die ständigen Updates meide.
Falsch!
Weil du sie meidest haben sich jetzt so viele und so große Änderungen ergebn, dass es zu Problemen gekommen ist.Regelmäßige Updates verhindern das
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@thomas-braun sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
System auf Stand halten, da sehe ich alte Kernelversionen und nodejs-Versionen.
Jetzt habe ich nodejs aktualisiert.
Dafür geht die Hälfte wieder nicht mehr. Das ist der Grund weshalb ich die ständigen Updates meide.
Konkret bekomme ich jetzt folgende Meldung im NodeRed:
Allerdings gibt es ja den Paletten verwalten Eintrag auch nicht mehr.
Ich versuche es jetzt mal hiermit:
https://forum.iobroker.net/topic/34681/kein-paletten-verwalten-im-neuen-node-red-adapter@manuel001 sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
Dafür geht die Hälfte wieder nicht mehr. Das ist der Grund weshalb ich die ständigen Updates meide.
Kann ich bei meinen Systemen, die regelmäßig auf Stand gehalten werden, nicht bestätigen.
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@manuel001 sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
Dafür geht die Hälfte wieder nicht mehr. Das ist der Grund weshalb ich die ständigen Updates meide.
Falsch!
Weil du sie meidest haben sich jetzt so viele und so große Änderungen ergebn, dass es zu Problemen gekommen ist.Regelmäßige Updates verhindern das
@homoran
Das wurde mir beim letzten Update auch gesagt, wie dann wieder einiges nicht gegangen ist.
Naja, eigentlich macht eh immer "nur" Nodered Probleme.
Wenn ich das Update schon von 2 Monaten gemacht hätte, hätte ich das Problem vor 2 Monaten gehabt.
Die Lösung vom Link funktioniert übrigens nicht mehr, weil es den Eintrag gar nicht mehr gibt.
Offensichtlich bin ich nicht alleine mit dem Problem:
"Eigentlich graust es mir vor jedem Update von Node-Red, weil ich genau weiß, dass dann wieder folgende Fehlermeldung kommt und ich ewig viele Module installieren muss."
Das hilft mir jetzt aber auch nichts. -
@homoran
Das wurde mir beim letzten Update auch gesagt, wie dann wieder einiges nicht gegangen ist.
Naja, eigentlich macht eh immer "nur" Nodered Probleme.
Wenn ich das Update schon von 2 Monaten gemacht hätte, hätte ich das Problem vor 2 Monaten gehabt.
Die Lösung vom Link funktioniert übrigens nicht mehr, weil es den Eintrag gar nicht mehr gibt.
Offensichtlich bin ich nicht alleine mit dem Problem:
"Eigentlich graust es mir vor jedem Update von Node-Red, weil ich genau weiß, dass dann wieder folgende Fehlermeldung kommt und ich ewig viele Module installieren muss."
Das hilft mir jetzt aber auch nichts.@manuel001 sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
"Eigentlich graust es mir vor jedem Update von Node-Red, weil ich genau weiß, dass dann wieder folgende Fehlermeldung kommt und ich ewig viele Module installieren muss."
ich nutze schon lange kein NR mehr, aber hast du denn die Module korrekt über die Konfiguration der Instanz installiert?
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@manuel001 sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
"Eigentlich graust es mir vor jedem Update von Node-Red, weil ich genau weiß, dass dann wieder folgende Fehlermeldung kommt und ich ewig viele Module installieren muss."
ich nutze schon lange kein NR mehr, aber hast du denn die Module korrekt über die Konfiguration der Instanz installiert?
@homoran sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
aber hast du denn die Module korrekt über die Konfiguration der Instanz installiert?
In der Vergangenheit habe ich das immer über den Paletten verwalten Eintrag im NodeRed gemacht.
Also nein. Gibt es hierzu eine Anleitung? -
@homoran sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
aber hast du denn die Module korrekt über die Konfiguration der Instanz installiert?
In der Vergangenheit habe ich das immer über den Paletten verwalten Eintrag im NodeRed gemacht.
Also nein. Gibt es hierzu eine Anleitung?Ich glaube, dass ich es geschafft habe. Allerdings funktioniert es nicht:
2022-02-11 13:32:50.937 - error: node-red.2 (951) install: ["node-red-node-serialport"] 2022-02-11 13:32:51.516 - info: node-red.2 (951) Starting node-red: --max-old-space-size=128 /opt/iobroker/node_modules/node-red/red.js -v --settings /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red/settings.js 2022-02-11 13:32:59.638 - warn: node-red.2 (951) 11 Feb 13:32:59 - [warn] ------------------------------------------------------ 2022-02-11 13:32:59.642 - warn: node-red.2 (951) 11 Feb 13:32:59 - [warn] [node-red-node-serialport/serialport] Error: The module '/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red/node_modules/@serialport/bindings/build/Release/bindings.node' was compiled against a different Node.js version using NODE_MODULE_VERSION 72. This version of Node.js requires NODE_MODULE_VERSION 83. Please try re-compiling or re-installing the module (for instance, using `npm rebuild` or `npm install`). 2022-02-11 13:32:59.649 - warn: node-red.2 (951) 11 Feb 13:32:59 - [warn] ------------------------------------------------------ 2022-02-11 13:32:59.660 - warn: node-red.2 (951) 11 Feb 13:32:59 - [warn] Projects disabled : editorTheme.projects.enabled=false 11 Feb 13:32:59 - [info] Flows file : /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red/flows.json -
Ich glaube, dass ich es geschafft habe. Allerdings funktioniert es nicht:
2022-02-11 13:32:50.937 - error: node-red.2 (951) install: ["node-red-node-serialport"] 2022-02-11 13:32:51.516 - info: node-red.2 (951) Starting node-red: --max-old-space-size=128 /opt/iobroker/node_modules/node-red/red.js -v --settings /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red/settings.js 2022-02-11 13:32:59.638 - warn: node-red.2 (951) 11 Feb 13:32:59 - [warn] ------------------------------------------------------ 2022-02-11 13:32:59.642 - warn: node-red.2 (951) 11 Feb 13:32:59 - [warn] [node-red-node-serialport/serialport] Error: The module '/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red/node_modules/@serialport/bindings/build/Release/bindings.node' was compiled against a different Node.js version using NODE_MODULE_VERSION 72. This version of Node.js requires NODE_MODULE_VERSION 83. Please try re-compiling or re-installing the module (for instance, using `npm rebuild` or `npm install`). 2022-02-11 13:32:59.649 - warn: node-red.2 (951) 11 Feb 13:32:59 - [warn] ------------------------------------------------------ 2022-02-11 13:32:59.660 - warn: node-red.2 (951) 11 Feb 13:32:59 - [warn] Projects disabled : editorTheme.projects.enabled=false 11 Feb 13:32:59 - [info] Flows file : /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red/flows.json@manuel001 sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
was compiled against a different Node.js version using NODE_MODULE_VERSION 72. This version of Node.js requires NODE_MODULE_VERSION 83. Please try re-compiling or re-installing the module (for instance, using
npm rebuildornpm install).Muss gegen die neue ABI gebaut werden.
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@manuel001 sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
was compiled against a different Node.js version using NODE_MODULE_VERSION 72. This version of Node.js requires NODE_MODULE_VERSION 83. Please try re-compiling or re-installing the module (for instance, using
npm rebuildornpm install).Muss gegen die neue ABI gebaut werden.
@thomas-braun
Ich verstehe leider nur Bahnhof.
Verstehe ich das jetzt richtig, dass ich dieses Problem durch das Node.js Update habe?
Ohne Update würde es also weiterhin funktionieren?
Nun gut, zumindest habe ich jetzt ein aktuelles System.
Aber was muss ich jetzt konkret machen, damit es wieder funktioniert? -
@thomas-braun
Ich verstehe leider nur Bahnhof.
Verstehe ich das jetzt richtig, dass ich dieses Problem durch das Node.js Update habe?
Ohne Update würde es also weiterhin funktionieren?
Nun gut, zumindest habe ich jetzt ein aktuelles System.
Aber was muss ich jetzt konkret machen, damit es wieder funktioniert? -
@thomas-braun sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
iobroker rebuild node-red
pi@ioBrokerWallbox:~ $ iobroker rebuild node-red npm rebuild --loglevel error (System call1) in "/opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobro ker.node-red" Rebuild node-red doneDann habe ich die Instanz neu gestartet. Aber wieder mit den gleichen Fehlermeldungen.
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@thomas-braun sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
iobroker rebuild node-red
pi@ioBrokerWallbox:~ $ iobroker rebuild node-red npm rebuild --loglevel error (System call1) in "/opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobro ker.node-red" Rebuild node-red doneDann habe ich die Instanz neu gestartet. Aber wieder mit den gleichen Fehlermeldungen.
Dann muss man tiefer rein.
Vermutlichcd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red/node_modules/@serialport/bindings npm rebuildmit node-red habe ich allerdings keine Aktien.
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Dann muss man tiefer rein.
Vermutlichcd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red/node_modules/@serialport/bindings npm rebuildmit node-red habe ich allerdings keine Aktien.
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A complete log of this run can be found in: npm ERR! /home/iobroker/.npm/_logs/2022-02-11T13_46_04_107Z-debug.log pi@ioBrokerWallbox:/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red/node_modules/@serialport/bindings $Wieder mit den gleichen Fehlermeldungen nach Neustart der Instanz.
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Dann muss man tiefer rein.
Vermutlichcd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red/node_modules/@serialport/bindings npm rebuildmit node-red habe ich allerdings keine Aktien.
@thomas-braun sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
mit node-red habe ich allerdings keine Aktien.
Soll ich einen neuen Thread starten? (hat ja mit dem eigentlich nichts mehr zu tun)
EDIT: Habe jetzt einen neuen Thread angelegt:
https://forum.iobroker.net/topic/52423/node-red-node-serialport-geht-mit-node-js-v14-19-0-nicht -
@thomas-braun sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
mit node-red habe ich allerdings keine Aktien.
Soll ich einen neuen Thread starten? (hat ja mit dem eigentlich nichts mehr zu tun)
EDIT: Habe jetzt einen neuen Thread angelegt:
https://forum.iobroker.net/topic/52423/node-red-node-serialport-geht-mit-node-js-v14-19-0-nichtHeute nach einem erneuten "Stromausfall" (geplante Abschaltung) hat sich IO-Broker wieder nicht starten lassen:
pi@iobroker:/opt/iobroker $ iobroker version 3.3.22 pi@iobroker:/opt/iobroker $ iobroker status Cannot read system.config: null (OK when migrating or restoring) iobroker is not running on this host.Ist das normal, dass es das System beim Stromausfall immer zerstört?
Ich habe auch noch einen weiteren Raspi mit IO-Broker in einer Wallbox laufen. Da schalte ich die Versorgung nach jedem Ladevorgang immer einfach aus und hatte noch nie Probleme.
Woran kann das liegen? Es funktioniert immer der Master nicht mehr. In der Wallbox ist der Slave. Kann es damit zusammenhängen?
Bzw. würde mich jetzt natürlich interessieren, wie man so ein Problem am schnellsten beheben kann oder ist die einfachste Lösung eh das Image wieder auf die SD-Card zu spielen? -
Heute nach einem erneuten "Stromausfall" (geplante Abschaltung) hat sich IO-Broker wieder nicht starten lassen:
pi@iobroker:/opt/iobroker $ iobroker version 3.3.22 pi@iobroker:/opt/iobroker $ iobroker status Cannot read system.config: null (OK when migrating or restoring) iobroker is not running on this host.Ist das normal, dass es das System beim Stromausfall immer zerstört?
Ich habe auch noch einen weiteren Raspi mit IO-Broker in einer Wallbox laufen. Da schalte ich die Versorgung nach jedem Ladevorgang immer einfach aus und hatte noch nie Probleme.
Woran kann das liegen? Es funktioniert immer der Master nicht mehr. In der Wallbox ist der Slave. Kann es damit zusammenhängen?
Bzw. würde mich jetzt natürlich interessieren, wie man so ein Problem am schnellsten beheben kann oder ist die einfachste Lösung eh das Image wieder auf die SD-Card zu spielen?@manuel001 sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
Woran kann das liegen?
Dann such mal nach dieser Fehlermeldung
@manuel001 sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
Cannot read system.config: null
und du wirst ein mini-HowTo finden mit der Lösung
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@manuel001 sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
Woran kann das liegen?
Dann such mal nach dieser Fehlermeldung
@manuel001 sagte in [gelöst] iobroker auf Raspi startet nach Stromausfall nicht:
Cannot read system.config: null
und du wirst ein mini-HowTo finden mit der Lösung
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@homoran
Das?: https://forum.iobroker.net/topic/33496/cannot-read-system-config-null/8
Ich habe natürlich vorher schon gesucht und auch das gefunden, bin damit aber nicht wirklich weiter gekommen.
Oder gibt es noch was anderes?
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