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      Volleyhomer @Thomas Braun last edited by

      @thomas-braun said in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

      NODE_MAJOR=16

      Hagelt Fehlermeldungen. Ich glaube ich muss mir dann mal ein Wochenende frei nehmen, die Kinder ausquartieren und in Ruhe mich einlesen und alles neu aufsetzen.

      NodeJS Update scheint aber geklappt zu haben.

      pi@rock64:~$ NODE_MAJOR=16
      pi@rock64:~$ sudo apt update
      [sudo] password for pi: 
      Ign:1 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease
      Ign:2 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease               
      Err:3 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates Release                 
        404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      Ign:4 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease       
      Ign:5 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports InRelease     
      Err:6 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch Release
        404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      Err:7 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates Release
        404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      Err:8 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports Release
        404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      Hit:10 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_14.x stretch InRelease
      Hit:9 http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/armbian-apt stretch InRelease
      Reading package lists... Done
      E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org stretch/updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.
      N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
      N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
      E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch Release' does no longer have a Release file.
      N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
      N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
      E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.
      N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
      N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
      E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports Release' does no longer have a Release file.
      N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
      N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
      pi@rock64:~$ sudo apt install -y ca-certificates curl gnupg
      Reading package lists... Done
      Building dependency tree       
      Reading state information... Done
      gnupg is already the newest version (2.1.18-8~deb9u4).
      The following packages will be upgraded:
        ca-certificates curl libcurl3
      3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 132 not upgraded.
      Need to get 652 kB of archives.
      After this operation, 35.8 kB of additional disk space will be used.
      Ign:1 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main arm64 ca-certificates all 20200601~deb9u2
      Err:2 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main arm64 curl arm64 7.52.1-5+deb9u16
        404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      Err:3 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main arm64 libcurl3 arm64 7.52.1-5+deb9u16
        404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      Err:1 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main armhf ca-certificates all 20200601~deb9u2
        404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/c/ca-certificates/ca-certificates_20200601~deb9u2_all.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/c/curl/curl_7.52.1-5+deb9u16_arm64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/c/curl/libcurl3_7.52.1-5+deb9u16_arm64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
      pi@rock64:~$ sudo mkdir -p /etc/apt/keyrings
      pi@rock64:~$ 
      pi@rock64:~$ curl -kL https://deb.nodesource.com/gpgkey/nodesource-repo.gpg.key | sudo gpg --dearmor -o /etc/apt/keyrings/nodesource.gpg
        % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
                                       Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
      100  1684  100  1684    0     0   7395      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--  7385
      pi@rock64:~$ echo "deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/nodesource.gpg] https://deb.nodesource.com/node_${NODE_MAJOR}.x nodistro main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nodesource.list
      deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/nodesource.gpg] https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro main
      pi@rock64:~$ echo -e "Package: nodejs\nPin: origin deb.nodesource.com\nPin-Priority: 1001" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/nodejs.pref
      Package: nodejs
      Pin: origin deb.nodesource.com
      Pin-Priority: 1001
      pi@rock64:~$ sudo apt update
      Ign:1 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease
      Ign:2 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease               
      Ign:3 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease       
      Err:4 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates Release                 
        404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      Ign:5 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports InRelease     
      Err:6 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch Release
        404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      Err:7 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates Release
        404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      Err:8 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports Release
        404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
      Get:10 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro InRelease [12.1 kB]
      Hit:9 http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/armbian-apt stretch InRelease                        
      Get:11 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro/main armhf Packages [7469 B]
      Get:12 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages [7485 B]
      Get:13 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro/main arm64 Contents (deb) [19.5 kB]
      Get:14 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro/main armhf Contents (deb) [19.5 kB]
      Reading package lists... Done   
      E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org stretch/updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.
      N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
      N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
      E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch Release' does no longer have a Release file.
      N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
      N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
      E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.
      N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
      N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
      E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports Release' does no longer have a Release file.
      N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
      N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
      pi@rock64:~$ sudo apt install nodejs
      Reading package lists... Done
      Building dependency tree       
      Reading state information... Done
      The following packages will be upgraded:
        nodejs
      1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 135 not upgraded.
      Need to get 27.2 MB of archives.
      After this operation, 7285 kB of additional disk space will be used.
      Get:1 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro/main arm64 nodejs arm64 16.20.2-1nodesource1 [27.2 MB]
      Fetched 27.2 MB in 6s (3939 kB/s)                                                                                                                                                                                                                
      (Reading database ... 38255 files and directories currently installed.)
      Preparing to unpack .../nodejs_16.20.2-1nodesource1_arm64.deb ...
      Detected old npm client, removing...
      Unpacking nodejs (16.20.2-1nodesource1) over (14.21.3-1nodesource1) ...
      Setting up nodejs (16.20.2-1nodesource1) ...
      Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...
      pi@rock64:~$ 
      
      
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        Volleyhomer @Volleyhomer last edited by

        @volleyhomer said in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

        @thomas-braun said in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

        NODE_MAJOR=16

        Hagelt Fehlermeldungen. Ich glaube ich muss mir dann mal ein Wochenende frei nehmen, die Kinder ausquartieren und in Ruhe mich einlesen und alles neu aufsetzen.

        NodeJS Update scheint aber geklappt zu haben.

        pi@rock64:~$ NODE_MAJOR=16
        pi@rock64:~$ sudo apt update
        [sudo] password for pi: 
        Ign:1 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease
        Ign:2 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease               
        Err:3 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates Release                 
          404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        Ign:4 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease       
        Ign:5 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports InRelease     
        Err:6 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch Release
          404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        Err:7 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates Release
          404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        Err:8 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports Release
          404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        Hit:10 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_14.x stretch InRelease
        Hit:9 http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/armbian-apt stretch InRelease
        Reading package lists... Done
        E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org stretch/updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.
        N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
        N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
        E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch Release' does no longer have a Release file.
        N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
        N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
        E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.
        N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
        N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
        E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports Release' does no longer have a Release file.
        N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
        N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
        pi@rock64:~$ sudo apt install -y ca-certificates curl gnupg
        Reading package lists... Done
        Building dependency tree       
        Reading state information... Done
        gnupg is already the newest version (2.1.18-8~deb9u4).
        The following packages will be upgraded:
          ca-certificates curl libcurl3
        3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 132 not upgraded.
        Need to get 652 kB of archives.
        After this operation, 35.8 kB of additional disk space will be used.
        Ign:1 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main arm64 ca-certificates all 20200601~deb9u2
        Err:2 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main arm64 curl arm64 7.52.1-5+deb9u16
          404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        Err:3 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main arm64 libcurl3 arm64 7.52.1-5+deb9u16
          404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        Err:1 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main armhf ca-certificates all 20200601~deb9u2
          404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/c/ca-certificates/ca-certificates_20200601~deb9u2_all.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/c/curl/curl_7.52.1-5+deb9u16_arm64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/c/curl/libcurl3_7.52.1-5+deb9u16_arm64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
        pi@rock64:~$ sudo mkdir -p /etc/apt/keyrings
        pi@rock64:~$ 
        pi@rock64:~$ curl -kL https://deb.nodesource.com/gpgkey/nodesource-repo.gpg.key | sudo gpg --dearmor -o /etc/apt/keyrings/nodesource.gpg
          % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
                                         Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
        100  1684  100  1684    0     0   7395      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--  7385
        pi@rock64:~$ echo "deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/nodesource.gpg] https://deb.nodesource.com/node_${NODE_MAJOR}.x nodistro main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nodesource.list
        deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/nodesource.gpg] https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro main
        pi@rock64:~$ echo -e "Package: nodejs\nPin: origin deb.nodesource.com\nPin-Priority: 1001" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/nodejs.pref
        Package: nodejs
        Pin: origin deb.nodesource.com
        Pin-Priority: 1001
        pi@rock64:~$ sudo apt update
        Ign:1 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease
        Ign:2 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease               
        Ign:3 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease       
        Err:4 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates Release                 
          404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        Ign:5 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports InRelease     
        Err:6 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch Release
          404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        Err:7 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates Release
          404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        Err:8 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports Release
          404  Not Found [IP: 146.75.122.132 80]
        Get:10 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro InRelease [12.1 kB]
        Hit:9 http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/armbian-apt stretch InRelease                        
        Get:11 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro/main armhf Packages [7469 B]
        Get:12 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages [7485 B]
        Get:13 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro/main arm64 Contents (deb) [19.5 kB]
        Get:14 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro/main armhf Contents (deb) [19.5 kB]
        Reading package lists... Done   
        E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org stretch/updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.
        N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
        N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
        E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch Release' does no longer have a Release file.
        N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
        N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
        E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.
        N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
        N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
        E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports Release' does no longer have a Release file.
        N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
        N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
        pi@rock64:~$ sudo apt install nodejs
        Reading package lists... Done
        Building dependency tree       
        Reading state information... Done
        The following packages will be upgraded:
          nodejs
        1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 135 not upgraded.
        Need to get 27.2 MB of archives.
        After this operation, 7285 kB of additional disk space will be used.
        Get:1 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x nodistro/main arm64 nodejs arm64 16.20.2-1nodesource1 [27.2 MB]
        Fetched 27.2 MB in 6s (3939 kB/s)                                                                                                                                                                                                                
        (Reading database ... 38255 files and directories currently installed.)
        Preparing to unpack .../nodejs_16.20.2-1nodesource1_arm64.deb ...
        Detected old npm client, removing...
        Unpacking nodejs (16.20.2-1nodesource1) over (14.21.3-1nodesource1) ...
        Setting up nodejs (16.20.2-1nodesource1) ...
        Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...
        pi@rock64:~$ 
        
        

        Obwohl...

        pi@rock64:~$ type -P nodejs node npm npx && nodejs -v && node -v && npm -v && npx -v
        /usr/bin/nodejs
        /usr/bin/node
        /usr/bin/npm
        /usr/bin/npx
        v16.20.2
        v16.20.2
        8.19.4
        8.19.4
        pi@rock64:~$ 
        
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          Homoran Global Moderator Administrators @Volleyhomer last edited by Homoran

          @volleyhomer sagte in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

          Obwohl

          dann besteht Hoffnung die wichtigsten Komponenten von iobroker relativ aktuell zu bekommen.
          dann backup
          Neuinstallation
          Restore

          am besten jetzt das erste backup starten und an sicherer Stelle extern speichern

          geht denn jetzt iob diag?

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            Thomas Braun Most Active @Volleyhomer last edited by

            @volleyhomer

            Hagelt Fehlermeldungen.

            Natürlich...
            Aber nodejs@16 ist jetzt drauf, das ist die höchste Version die du da drauf bekommst. Alles andere braucht auch ein aktuelleres Betriebssystem.

            iob stop
            iob update
            iob upgrade self
            
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              Volleyhomer @Homoran last edited by

              @homoran said in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

              @volleyhomer sagte in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

              Obwohl

              dann besteht Hoffnung die wichtigsten Komponenten von iobroker relativ aktuell zu bekommen.
              dann backup
              Neuinstallation
              Restore

              am besten jetzt das erste backup starten und an sicherer Stelle extern speichern

              geht denn jetzt iob diag?

              Nein, geht nicht.

              pi@rock64:~$ iob diag
              pi@rock64:~$ 
              

              Backups kopiere ich nach dem erstellen immer direkt via filezilla in die icloud. Normalerweise via backitup auch auf das NAS.

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                Volleyhomer @Thomas Braun last edited by

                @thomas-braun said in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

                @volleyhomer

                Hagelt Fehlermeldungen.

                Natürlich...
                Aber nodejs@16 ist jetzt drauf, das ist die höchste Version die du da drauf bekommst. Alles andere braucht auch ein aktuelleres Betriebssystem.

                iob stop
                iob update
                iob upgrade self
                

                Ich hab gerade kurz bzgl. debian Update gegoogelt. Habe ich keine Ahnung von, scheint ja aber nicht wild zu sein. Geht sowas "am offenen Herzen"? Ich bekomme nächste Woche eine neue eMMC für den ROCK64 und werde damit dann alles nochmal neu aufsetzen.

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                  Thomas Braun Most Active @Volleyhomer last edited by Thomas Braun

                  @volleyhomer sagte in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

                  Habe ich keine Ahnung von, scheint ja aber nicht wild zu sein.

                  Aber nicht über drei Releases aus einer Ruine heraus.
                  Bring den iobroker jetzt auf den höchstmöglichen Stand, zieh ein Backup und dann spielst du das sauber in ein frisch installiertes Debian 12 'Bookworm' wieder ein.

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                    Volleyhomer @Thomas Braun last edited by

                    @thomas-braun said in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

                    @volleyhomer sagte in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

                    Habe ich keine Ahnung von, scheint ja aber nicht wild zu sein.

                    Aber nicht über drei Releases aus einer Ruine heraus.
                    Bring den iobroker jetzt auf den höchstmöglichen Stand, zieh ein Backup und dann spielst du das sauber in ein frisch installiertes Debian 12 'Bookworm' wieder ein.

                    Okay. Das werde ich dann irgendwann die nächsten Tage angehen. Vielen Dank für deine Mühe, Zeit und Hilfe!

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                      Volleyhomer last edited by Volleyhomer

                      @Thomas-Braun :

                      Ein Problem habe ich jetzt noch. Wenn ich Adapter updaten will (u.a. auch Admin) dann wird mir in der iobroker UI folgendes angezeigt.


                      Dependencies
                      js-controller (>=3.3.0): 4.0.24
                      admin (>=5.1.28): 6.3.5
                      node (>=16): 14.21.3


                      angezeigt. Version ist laut Kommando Zeile aber:

                      pi@rock64:~$ node -v
                      v16.20.2
                      pi@rock64:~$ 
                      

                      Muss man da noch irgendwas reseten? Neu starten? Oder ähnliches?

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                      • Thomas Braun
                        Thomas Braun Most Active @Volleyhomer last edited by

                        @volleyhomer sagte in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

                        Neu starten?

                        Würde ich machen.
                        Und dann nochmal

                        iob diag
                        
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                          Volleyhomer @Thomas Braun last edited by

                          @thomas-braun said in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

                          @volleyhomer sagte in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

                          Neu starten?

                          Würde ich machen.
                          Und dann nochmal

                          iob diag
                          

                          Okay, nochmals danke dir.
                          Ein harter Reboot hat geholfen. Jetzt wird im UI auch die korrekten Versionen erkannt.

                          Dann hoffe ich, dass ich beim neuen Aufsetzen so klar komme; Sonst melde ich mich wieder 🙂

                          Schönen Sonntagabend noch!

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                            Wildbill @Volleyhomer last edited by Wildbill

                            @volleyhomer sagte in Fehlermeldungen beim Biobroker Update:

                            Ein harter Reboot hat geholfen. Jetzt wird im UI auch die korrekten Versionen erkannt.

                            Was ist ein „harter“ Reboot? Strom weg und gut? Das solltest Du tunlichst vermeiden. Die Chancen stehen gut, Dir dabei mindestens das Dateisystem zu zerstören (geöffnete Dateien und welche, die gerade beschrieben werden sind danach in unbrauchbarem Zustand), beim Raspi kannst Du so auch relativ einfach die SD-Karte zerstören, so dass Du eine neue kaufen musst.
                            Reboot immer sauber mittels

                            sudo reboot
                            

                            oder zum Abschalten

                            sudo shutdown -h now
                            
                            

                            Gruss, Jürgen

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