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Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker

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  • F firebowl

    Bekomme in 2 Wochen ein Angebot für eine DAIKIN Altherma 3 H MT 8 mit 230L Warmwasserspeicher. Bin auch am überlegen wie ich den Überschuss meiner PV Anlage sinnvoll nutzen kann. Verstehe ich das richtig, dass man einfach einen Shelly 1 oder so an SG und EVU anschließt und der DAIKIN damit sagen kann sie soll die Speichertemperatur auf 70 Grad hochfahren? Dann gäbe es nur noch das Problem, dass ich die WP nicht über nen eignen Zähler laufen lassen kann sondern zwingend den nehmen muss, über den der normale Hausstrom und die Einspeisung läuft.

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    @firebowl
    Ich habe auch eine Daikin Altherma 3 H MT 12 (W) Wandgerät, PV kann man mit den Smart-Grid Anschlüssen steuern:
    Smart Grid.png

    Das geht auch ohne eigenen Zähler. Man kann in der Steuerung der WP die maximale Leistung einstellen. Ein eigener Zähler wird mit Impulsanschluss angeschlossen, damit hat man den Vorteil dass der Zähler basierend auf der Einspeisung ins Netz die Leistung regelt.

    Ich habe mittlerweile die DCOM LT/MB (Modbus Schnittstelle) im Einsatz, da ich die Wärmepumpe für die Poolheizung mit Photovoltaik verwende.
    Damit kann ich die wesentlichen Elemente steuern (Betriebsart: Wetter oder fixe Vorlauftemperatur), Vorlauftemperatur, Flüsterbetrieb, Zusatzheizung elektrisch)). Mittels iobroker Modbus kann ich die Werte einfach ändern. Für Modbus RTU zu Modbus TCP habe ich das PE11 Modul im Einsatz.
    Funktioniert prima.

    Holding register1.png

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    • M misteiner76

      @firebowl
      Ich habe auch eine Daikin Altherma 3 H MT 12 (W) Wandgerät, PV kann man mit den Smart-Grid Anschlüssen steuern:
      Smart Grid.png

      Das geht auch ohne eigenen Zähler. Man kann in der Steuerung der WP die maximale Leistung einstellen. Ein eigener Zähler wird mit Impulsanschluss angeschlossen, damit hat man den Vorteil dass der Zähler basierend auf der Einspeisung ins Netz die Leistung regelt.

      Ich habe mittlerweile die DCOM LT/MB (Modbus Schnittstelle) im Einsatz, da ich die Wärmepumpe für die Poolheizung mit Photovoltaik verwende.
      Damit kann ich die wesentlichen Elemente steuern (Betriebsart: Wetter oder fixe Vorlauftemperatur), Vorlauftemperatur, Flüsterbetrieb, Zusatzheizung elektrisch)). Mittels iobroker Modbus kann ich die Werte einfach ändern. Für Modbus RTU zu Modbus TCP habe ich das PE11 Modul im Einsatz.
      Funktioniert prima.

      Holding register1.png

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      Homoran
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      @misteiner76 sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

      Ich habe mittlerweile die DCOM LT/MB (Modbus Schnittstelle) i

      meines Wissens muss es die .../IO sein.
      Die habe ich (400 € für wenige Werte :rage:)

      hatte die Woche ochmal einen sehr kompetenten Mitarbeiter an der Daikin Hotline, der mir bestätigte dass die CAN Bus Variante nur bei alten Rotex Pumpen existiert.
      Dazu gibt es hier einen Thread

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      • HomoranH Homoran

        @misteiner76 sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

        Ich habe mittlerweile die DCOM LT/MB (Modbus Schnittstelle) i

        meines Wissens muss es die .../IO sein.
        Die habe ich (400 € für wenige Werte :rage:)

        hatte die Woche ochmal einen sehr kompetenten Mitarbeiter an der Daikin Hotline, der mir bestätigte dass die CAN Bus Variante nur bei alten Rotex Pumpen existiert.
        Dazu gibt es hier einen Thread

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        @homoran

        Also DCOM LT/MB funktioniert definitiv (Modbus Werte mit IoBroker), die DCOM LT/IO kann das auch, hat noch die Möglichkeit über IO Schnittstellen Werte analog (z.B. 0-10 V) zu übernehmen.

        Die Werte die ich aufgelistet habe sind die Werte die man verstellen kann. Es gibt noch ein paar mehr Register die man anzeigen kann.

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        • M misteiner76

          @homoran

          Also DCOM LT/MB funktioniert definitiv (Modbus Werte mit IoBroker), die DCOM LT/IO kann das auch, hat noch die Möglichkeit über IO Schnittstellen Werte analog (z.B. 0-10 V) zu übernehmen.

          Die Werte die ich aufgelistet habe sind die Werte die man verstellen kann. Es gibt noch ein paar mehr Register die man anzeigen kann.

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          Homoran
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          @misteiner76 sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

          DCOM LT/MB funktioniert definitiv

          schön!
          Hatte ich mir auch rausgesucht, wurde aber von mehreren incl. Daikin Hotline als nicht geeignet klasifiziert.

          Screenshot_20230512-153416_Firefox.jpg
          Das ist für mich alles was ich nutzen kann, da meine Altherma 3RW nur heizen kann und soll.

          die Gauge "Aussen" zeigt einen HM Temperaturdifferenzsensor, mit der ich auchbdie Ausblastemperatur gemessen habe, der im Moment aber im Haus liegt.

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          • HomoranH Homoran

            @misteiner76 sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

            DCOM LT/MB funktioniert definitiv

            schön!
            Hatte ich mir auch rausgesucht, wurde aber von mehreren incl. Daikin Hotline als nicht geeignet klasifiziert.

            Screenshot_20230512-153416_Firefox.jpg
            Das ist für mich alles was ich nutzen kann, da meine Altherma 3RW nur heizen kann und soll.

            die Gauge "Aussen" zeigt einen HM Temperaturdifferenzsensor, mit der ich auchbdie Ausblastemperatur gemessen habe, der im Moment aber im Haus liegt.

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            https://github.com/Trunks1982/Daikin-Rotex-HPSU-CAN

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              Hallo,

              ich würde meine Altherma 3 H MT inkl Ech2o gerne via Daikin Home Hub an den iobroker anbinden. Hat hierfür evtl. jemand ein paar Tips dazu? Ich benötige im iobroker den ModBus Adapter - richtig?

              Vielen Dank

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              • R robmann

                Hallo,

                ich würde meine Altherma 3 H MT inkl Ech2o gerne via Daikin Home Hub an den iobroker anbinden. Hat hierfür evtl. jemand ein paar Tips dazu? Ich benötige im iobroker den ModBus Adapter - richtig?

                Vielen Dank

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                @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                gerne via Daikin Home Hub

                was ist das?
                klingt nach cloud?

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                • HomoranH Homoran

                  @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                  gerne via Daikin Home Hub

                  was ist das?
                  klingt nach cloud?

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                  @homoran
                  ne, nicht via Cloud. Direkt via Modbus (TCP). Der Home Hub ist wohl der Nachfolger vom DCOM.

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                  • R robmann

                    @homoran
                    ne, nicht via Cloud. Direkt via Modbus (TCP). Der Home Hub ist wohl der Nachfolger vom DCOM.

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                    Homoran
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                    @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                    Der Home Hub ist wohl der Nachfolger vom DCOM.

                    ich weiss icht was der für Anschlüsse hat, aber hier
                    2023033n_143008.jpg

                    geht's zum Modbus-Adapter per RS485.
                    Wenn der Hub Modbus TCP unterstützt, braucht's keine weitere Hardware, der Adapter reicht.

                    Hast du Infos was der Hub alles an Daten liefert und wo er in der Altherma angeschlossen wird?

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                      Hier die Doku zum Hub: https://www.daikin.de/content/dam/document-library/Installer-reference-guide/ctrl/ekrhh/EKRHH_Installer reference guide_4PDE744838-1_German.pdf

                      An der Altherma ist er bereits durch den Heizungsbauer angeschlossen.

                      Was mich nun interessiert ist die Einbindung in den iobroker bzw. die Visualisierung.
                      Hat hier jemand Tips?

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                        Hier die Doku zum Hub: https://www.daikin.de/content/dam/document-library/Installer-reference-guide/ctrl/ekrhh/EKRHH_Installer reference guide_4PDE744838-1_German.pdf

                        An der Altherma ist er bereits durch den Heizungsbauer angeschlossen.

                        Was mich nun interessiert ist die Einbindung in den iobroker bzw. die Visualisierung.
                        Hat hier jemand Tips?

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                        Homoran
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                        #49

                        @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                        Hat hier jemand Tips?

                        wenn modbus tcp, dann modbus Adapter.
                        dort Verbindungsparameter konfigurieten und erst einmal nur ein Register

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                        Benutzt das Voting rechts unten im Beitrag wenn er euch geholfen hat.
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                        • R robmann

                          Hier die Doku zum Hub: https://www.daikin.de/content/dam/document-library/Installer-reference-guide/ctrl/ekrhh/EKRHH_Installer reference guide_4PDE744838-1_German.pdf

                          An der Altherma ist er bereits durch den Heizungsbauer angeschlossen.

                          Was mich nun interessiert ist die Einbindung in den iobroker bzw. die Visualisierung.
                          Hat hier jemand Tips?

                          HomoranH Do not disturb
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                          Homoran
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                          #50

                          @robmann

                          @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                          An der Altherma ist er bereits durch den Heizungsbauer angeschlossen.

                          nach den Informationen in der Bedienungsanleitung

                          X6A Zur Inneneinheit (P1/P2 Konnektor)
                          X7A Zur Inneneinheit (S21 Konnektor)
                          X8A Zur Modbus-Interface (RS485 Konnektor)
                          

                          ist es genau wie beim DCOM.
                          Anschluss am Gerät an P1/P1 und Modbus RTU

                          wofür der LAN Anschluss ist, finde ich auf die Schnelle nicht, irgendwo steht was von ONECTA (also cloud) und irgendwo steht Modbus RTU und TCP würden unterstützt

                          Es geht dir wahrscheinlich um "Anwendungsfall 3" , Einbindung ins Smarthome

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                          • HomoranH Homoran

                            @robmann

                            @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                            An der Altherma ist er bereits durch den Heizungsbauer angeschlossen.

                            nach den Informationen in der Bedienungsanleitung

                            X6A Zur Inneneinheit (P1/P2 Konnektor)
                            X7A Zur Inneneinheit (S21 Konnektor)
                            X8A Zur Modbus-Interface (RS485 Konnektor)
                            

                            ist es genau wie beim DCOM.
                            Anschluss am Gerät an P1/P1 und Modbus RTU

                            wofür der LAN Anschluss ist, finde ich auf die Schnelle nicht, irgendwo steht was von ONECTA (also cloud) und irgendwo steht Modbus RTU und TCP würden unterstützt

                            Es geht dir wahrscheinlich um "Anwendungsfall 3" , Einbindung ins Smarthome

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                            @homoran said in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                            Es geht dir wahrscheinlich um "Anwendungsfall 3" , Einbindung ins Smarthome

                            ganz genau... und das ganze ein wenig visualisieren ;-)

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                              @homoran said in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                              Es geht dir wahrscheinlich um "Anwendungsfall 3" , Einbindung ins Smarthome

                              ganz genau... und das ganze ein wenig visualisieren ;-)

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                              @robmann
                              na, dann ran an den Speck!

                              wo genau klemmt's denn noch?

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                              • HomoranH Homoran

                                @robmann
                                na, dann ran an den Speck!

                                wo genau klemmt's denn noch?

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                                @homoran Ich brauche nur mal den richtigen Denkanstoß in sachen Iobroker...
                                Geht das über den ModBus-Adapter? Konnte hier leider nicht wirklich was hilfreiches finden...

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                                  @homoran Ich brauche nur mal den richtigen Denkanstoß in sachen Iobroker...
                                  Geht das über den ModBus-Adapter? Konnte hier leider nicht wirklich was hilfreiches finden...

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                                  @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                                  Geht das über den ModBus-Adapter?

                                  wie ich schrob

                                  @homoran sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                                  @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                                  Hat hier jemand Tips?

                                  wenn modbus tcp, dann modbus Adapter.
                                  dort Verbindungsparameter konfigurieten und erst einmal nur ein Register

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                                  Benutzt das Voting rechts unten im Beitrag wenn er euch geholfen hat.
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                                  • HomoranH Homoran

                                    @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                                    Geht das über den ModBus-Adapter?

                                    wie ich schrob

                                    @homoran sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                                    @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                                    Hat hier jemand Tips?

                                    wenn modbus tcp, dann modbus Adapter.
                                    dort Verbindungsparameter konfigurieten und erst einmal nur ein Register

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                                    @homoran
                                    Hallo, hat geklappt.. ;-)
                                    Welche Widgets hast du für die Visualisierung verwendet?

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                                      @homoran
                                      Hallo, hat geklappt.. ;-)
                                      Welche Widgets hast du für die Visualisierung verwendet?

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                                      @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                                      Welche Widgets hast du für die Visualisierung verwendet?

                                      verschiedene :grin:

                                      Hab aber auch nur Heating only.

                                      Wofür brauchst du denn widgets?

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                                      • HomoranH Homoran

                                        @robmann sagte in Wärmepumpe Daikin Altherma 3 H HT und ioBroker:

                                        Welche Widgets hast du für die Visualisierung verwendet?

                                        verschiedene :grin:

                                        Hab aber auch nur Heating only.

                                        Wofür brauchst du denn widgets?

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                                        @homoran möchte gerne eine ähnliche Visualisierung bauen ;-)

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                                        • R robmann

                                          @homoran möchte gerne eine ähnliche Visualisierung bauen ;-)

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                                          @robmann

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