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How to lower disk writes (for extending life of an sd card)

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  • paul53P paul53

    @apollon77 sagte:

    this will be likely hard when you do not only use device values, but also logical values.

    A reboot / killing of ioBroker immediately writes the states from RAM to the file. Only in case of a system crash (power failure) such a long time is problematic.

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    @paul53 ... or a process crash (yes there is come code that tries to write it also when crashing) ... but :-) (e.g. a SIGTERM because of OOM might also not write values).

    It is all about "knowing what one is doing"

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      schrieb am zuletzt editiert von Tomasz Nowak
      #8

      @paul53 , @apollon77
      Thanks for your hints, guys. For now I'm just handling Ecovacs Deebot vacuuming robot (and Daikin aircon soon, probably) over MQTT with no logic within ioBroker. So I hope I don't risk any house disaster with that setting

      @paul53, I've created an issue, thanks.

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        #9

        just as suggestion, to avoid load read/write loads on storage and move the to Memory isn't Redis providing more efficient state handling here ?

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          #10

          I thought about it but AFAIK Redis also needs to write to disk / sd card. I have relatively small number of states so I believe creating yet another docker instance for Redis would be kind of overkill in my case.

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          • Tomasz NowakT Tomasz Nowak

            I thought about it but AFAIK Redis also needs to write to disk / sd card. I have relatively small number of states so I believe creating yet another docker instance for Redis would be kind of overkill in my case.

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            schrieb am zuletzt editiert von Mic
            #11

            @Tomasz-Nowak
            I am using Redis successfully for several months. I have installed it on the same system (Debian) on which ioBroker is installed - but no Raspberry experience (I am using a Zotac barebone with Proxmox), though.
            See: https://github.com/ioBroker/ioBroker.js-controller#state-and-objects-databases-and-files
            Also, see: https://redis.io/topics/persistence
            You may want to look into it again, but not sure how the performance is gonna be on a Raspberry.

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            • MicM Mic

              @Tomasz-Nowak
              I am using Redis successfully for several months. I have installed it on the same system (Debian) on which ioBroker is installed - but no Raspberry experience (I am using a Zotac barebone with Proxmox), though.
              See: https://github.com/ioBroker/ioBroker.js-controller#state-and-objects-databases-and-files
              Also, see: https://redis.io/topics/persistence
              You may want to look into it again, but not sure how the performance is gonna be on a Raspberry.

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              schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
              #12

              @Mic
              I've read that before. They say good for many objects such has 10000 for performance reasons. I have like 50 objects :)
              And I don't want make it more complex (you don't install another services in docker instance, you need another docker)

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                schrieb am zuletzt editiert von Dutchman
                #13

                guys wait ...., don't ix performance and io topics please :)

                we are discussing write access to storage, Redis works in memory so less write on disk/card was my hypothese :)

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                • DutchmanD Dutchman

                  guys wait ...., don't ix performance and io topics please :)

                  we are discussing write access to storage, Redis works in memory so less write on disk/card was my hypothese :)

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                  #14

                  @Dutchman sagte:

                  Redis works in memory so less write on disk/card

                  Per default Redis writes every 5 minutes to disk/card.

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                  • paul53P paul53

                    @Dutchman sagte:

                    Redis works in memory so less write on disk/card

                    Per default Redis writes every 5 minutes to disk/card.

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                    #15

                    @paul53 sagte in How to lower disk writes (for extending life of an sd card):

                    @Dutchman sagte:

                    Redis works in memory so less write on disk/card

                    Per default Redis writes every 5 minutes to disk/card.

                    Better than every 30 seconds 🤷‍♂️

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                    • DutchmanD Dutchman

                      @paul53 sagte in How to lower disk writes (for extending life of an sd card):

                      @Dutchman sagte:

                      Redis works in memory so less write on disk/card

                      Per default Redis writes every 5 minutes to disk/card.

                      Better than every 30 seconds 🤷‍♂️

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                      schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                      #16

                      @Dutchman sagte in How to lower disk writes (for extending life of an sd card):

                      Better than every 30 seconds 🤷‍♂️

                      Exactly, and the default value can certainly be increased to whatever is needed. I would give Redis a try.
                      Also,
                      @Tomasz-Nowak sagte in How to lower disk writes (for extending life of an sd card):

                      They say good for many objects such has 10000 for performance reasons

                      I would assume this statement in the documentation was just made for the ease of use of ioBroker in general: Without like Redis, typically ioBroker's performance is good if you have way less than 10000+ objects. You are having a different use case (limited disc r/w per period). Not sure how the performance (like CPU and memory usage) of Redis is on a Raspberry, but I guess pretty low.

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