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    • Thomas Braun
      Thomas Braun Most Active @Gargano last edited by Thomas Braun

      @gargano Und was sagt uns/dir der Befehl? Insbesondere das dmesg.
      Meine Glaskugel hat im Moment etwas Schneegestöber drin.

      cd /opt/iobroker
      sudo -H -u iobroker npm install iobroker.js-controller
      
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      • Gargano
        Gargano @Thomas Braun last edited by

        @thomas-braun

        pi@raspberrypi:~ $ dmesg | grep -i ext4
        [    0.000000] Kernel command line: coherent_pool=1M 8250.nr_uarts=1 snd_bcm2835.enable_compat_alsa=0 snd_bcm2835.enable_hdmi=1 video=HDMI-A-1:640x480M@60 smsc95xx.macaddr=DC:A6:32:40:75:45 vc_mem.mem_base=0x3eb00000 vc_mem.mem_size=0x3ff00000  dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=e52a9d10-02 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait
        [    2.463147] EXT4-fs (sda2): INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem
        [    2.463687] EXT4-fs (sda2): write access will be enabled during recovery
        [    2.646335] EXT4-fs (sda2): recovery complete
        [    2.649894] EXT4-fs (sda2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
        [    2.650946] VFS: Mounted root (ext4 filesystem) readonly on device 8:2.
        [    4.469939] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
        
        
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        • Thomas Braun
          Thomas Braun Most Active @Gargano last edited by

          @gargano Starte mal durch und schau dann, ob die Meldungen dieser Art

          [    2.463147] EXT4-fs (sda2): INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem
          [    2.463687] EXT4-fs (sda2): write access will be enabled during recovery
          

          dann weg sind.

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          • Gargano
            Gargano @Thomas Braun last edited by

            @thomas-braun

            dmesg | grep -i ext4
            [    0.000000] Kernel command line: coherent_pool=1M 8250.nr_uarts=1 snd_bcm2835.enable_compat_alsa=0 snd_bcm2835.enable_hdmi=1 video=HDMI-A-1:640x480M@60 smsc95xx.macaddr=DC:A6:32:40:75:45 vc_mem.mem_base=0x3eb00000 vc_mem.mem_size=0x3ff00000  dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=e52a9d10-02 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait
            [    2.440587] EXT4-fs (sda2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
            [    2.441648] VFS: Mounted root (ext4 filesystem) readonly on device 8:2.
            [    4.018357] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
            
            
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            • Thomas Braun
              Thomas Braun Most Active @Gargano last edited by

              @gargano
              Ja, so soll es aussehen.
              Außer der Eintrag video=HDMI-A-1:640x480M@60 in den Kerneloptions...

              Server immer ohne Video/graphische Oberfläche betreiben.

              Wenn du jetzt den js-controller nochmal reinzirkelst?

              cd /opt/iobroker
              sudo -H -u iobroker npm install iobroker.js-controller
              
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              • Gargano
                Gargano @Thomas Braun last edited by Gargano

                @thomas-braun Ich habe eigentlich Run Level 3 eingestellt.

                Install ist durchgelaufen aber Admin startet nicht.

                npm WARN deprecated request@2.88.2: request has been deprecated, see https://github.com/request/request/issues/3142
                
                > iobroker.js-controller@3.2.16 preinstall /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.js-controller
                > node lib/preinstallCheck.js
                
                NPM version: 6.14.10
                
                > iobroker.js-controller@3.2.16 install /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.js-controller
                > node iobroker.js setup first
                
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                iobroker list adapters
                

                zeigt gar nichts an.

                mikeal created this issue in request/request

                open Request’s Past, Present and Future #3142

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                • Thomas Braun
                  Thomas Braun Most Active @Gargano last edited by

                  @gargano sagte in IObroker zerlegt nach Stromausfall:

                  zeigt gar nichts an.

                  Ja, die Verzeichnisse der Adapter werden ja auch ignoriert.
                  Da weiß ich aber nicht wie man das gerade gezogen bekommt.

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                  • Gargano
                    Gargano last edited by

                    @thomas-braun Hab restore gemacht , funktioniert wieder.
                    Vielen Dank

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                    • ?
                      A Former User @Thomas Braun last edited by

                      @thomas-braun

                      Hi
                      habe leider genau das gleiche Probleme an meinem Raspberry PI 4 mit externer SSD. Ein Stromausfall lässt den IOBroker nicht mehr laufen.
                      Der iobroker fix läuft durch und dmesg sagt:

                      [    0.000000] Kernel command line: coherent_pool=1M 8250.nr_uarts=0 snd_bcm2835.enable_compat_alsa=0 snd_bcm2835.enable_hdmi=1  smsc95xx.macaddr=DC:A6:32:45:95:84 vc_mem.mem_base=0x3eb00000 vc_mem.mem_size=0x3ff00000  console=ttyS0,115200 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=045305dd-02 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait
                      [    2.191028] EXT4-fs (sda2): INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem
                      [    2.191069] EXT4-fs (sda2): write access will be enabled during recovery
                      [    2.228024] EXT4-fs (sda2): recovery complete
                      [    2.230055] EXT4-fs (sda2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
                      [    2.230159] VFS: Mounted root (ext4 filesystem) readonly on device 8:2.
                      [    4.198324] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
                      

                      Nach einem Reboot fehlte mir die ssh Datei um mich per Putty einzuloggen aber danach ging es wieder.

                      Der iobroker lässt sich starten -> ohne Fehlermeldung aber der status sagt:

                      iobroker status
                       Cannot read system.config: null (OK when migrating or restoring)
                       Cannot find view "system" for search "host"
                      iobroker is running on this host.
                      
                      
                      Objects type: file
                      States  type: file
                      
                      

                      Ein Versuch den den Admin zu starten sagt:

                      iobroker start admin
                       Cannot read system.config: null (OK when migrating or restoring)
                       Cannot find view "system" for search "host"
                       Cannot find view "system" for search "instance"
                      An unknown error occurred: Cannot find view "system"
                      
                      

                      Was kann ich noch tun um den iobroker zu retten?

                      Vielen Dank vorab!

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                      • Thomas Braun
                        Thomas Braun Most Active @Guest last edited by

                        @pete0815

                        Klapper mal das System mit dem 'Werkzeugkasten'ab:

                        https://forum.iobroker.net/topic/42952/der-kleine-iobroker-linux-werkzeugkasten

                        Wenn das danach immer noch zickig ist:

                        cd /opt/iobroker 
                        sudo -H -u iobroker npm install iobroker.js-controller
                        
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                          A Former User @Thomas Braun last edited by A Former User

                          @thomas-braun
                          Vielen Dank!
                          Was ich unter system (rasbian OS) verstehe läuft soweit durch und alles ist aktuell.
                          "Seltsame" Meldundungen gehen dann los, wenn ich Richtung iobroker etwas ausführe.
                          Hier in der Liste das:

                          iobroker repo set stable
                          

                          erzeugt

                          iobroker repo set stable
                           Cannot read system.config: null (OK when migrating or restoring)
                          /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.js-controller/lib/setup/setupRepo.js:358
                                                  obj.common.activeRepo = repoName;
                                                      ^
                          
                          TypeError: Cannot read property 'common' of null
                              at Immediate.<anonymous> (/opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.js-controller/lib/setup/setupRepo.js:358:29)
                              at processImmediate (internal/timers.js:463:21)
                          

                          Den iobroker fixer habe ich schon durchlaufen alles und er beendet mit "erfolgreich" bitte iobroker start ausführen was aber zu keinem wirklichen start führt.

                          Bevor ich es vergesse zu erwähnen. Ich habe ein Backup auf dem NAS liegen vom Adapter BackitUp, brauche also theoretisch nur eine funktionierende "blanko" Installation um per BackItUp den Restore einspielen zu können. Macht es das einfacher?

                          Problem: ich komme gleich nur noch per SSH etc an den iobroker und nicht physisch um die SSD zu formatieren und neu aufzusetzen. Geht sowas auch remote? Gleich mal schlau machen.

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                          • Thomas Braun
                            Thomas Braun Most Active @Guest last edited by Thomas Braun

                            @pete0815

                            Wenn das danach immer noch zickig ist:

                            cd /opt/iobroker 
                            sudo -H -u iobroker npm install iobroker.js-controller
                            

                            Solange du per ssh eine Konsole bekommst kannst du natürlich alles machen. Komplettes Neuaufsetzen erfordert allerdings physischen Zugriff um erstmal den ssh zu aktivieren.

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                              A Former User @Thomas Braun last edited by

                              @thomas-braun
                              Danke, hatte ich als unerfahrer Nutzer auch so verstanden. Hatte eben mal was über einen Terminalbefehl gelesen um den ssh zugriff zu aktivieren, aber das ist nur gegoogelt keine Ahnung ob das geht.

                              die js.controller installation wirft viele meldungen raus und danach gibt iobroker status nach dem start eine positive rückmeldung. allerdings läuft der admin nicht und lässt sich auch nicht starten. manuell installieren?

                               iobroker.js-controller@3.2.16 preinstall /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.js-controller
                              > node lib/preinstallCheck.js
                              
                              NPM version: 6.14.11
                              
                              > iobroker.js-controller@3.2.16 install /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.js-controller
                              > node iobroker.js setup first
                              
                               Cannot read system.config: null (OK when migrating or restoring)
                              object 0_userdata.0.example_state created
                              object 0_userdata.0 created
                              object alias.0 created
                              object system.certificates created
                              object system.repositories created
                              object system.config created
                              object enum.functions created
                              object enum.rooms created
                              object system.group.user created
                              object system.group.administrator created
                              object _design/system created
                              
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                              Renamed repository "latest to "beta"
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                                Thomas Braun Most Active @Guest last edited by

                                @pete0815 sagte in IObroker zerlegt nach Stromausfall:

                                Hatte eben mal was über einen Terminalbefehl gelesen um den ssh zugriff zu aktivieren

                                Dazu musst du aber 'von Innen' kommen.

                                iobroker list adapters
                                iobroker list instances
                                

                                bringt?

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                                  A Former User @Thomas Braun last edited by

                                  @thomas-braun
                                  ok thx.

                                  iobroker list adapters
                                  

                                  erzeugt gar keine Rückmeldung

                                  iobroker list instances
                                  
                                  + instance is alive
                                  
                                  
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                                    Thomas Braun Most Active @Guest last edited by

                                    @pete0815

                                    iobroker add admin
                                    
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                                      A Former User @Thomas Braun last edited by

                                      @thomas-braun said in IObroker zerlegt nach Stromausfall:

                                      Dazu musst du aber 'von Innen' kommen.

                                      ooooh jetzt verstanden. Mit Terminal ist die lokale Bedienung am RPI gemeint und dann dort ein Terminalfenster öffnen. Hatte das Terminalfenster extern vermutet 🤦‍♂️

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                                        A Former User @Thomas Braun last edited by

                                        @thomas-braun said in IObroker zerlegt nach Stromausfall:

                                        iobroker add admin

                                        Danke, der admin ist wieder da und per Browser erreichbar. Bisher aber nur mit admin und info Adapter sonst "blank".
                                        Jetzt den Backitup Adapter installieren und Restore?

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                                          Thomas Braun Most Active @Guest last edited by

                                          @pete0815 Ja. Die leere Hülle musst du jetzt wieder mit Adaptern füllen. Per Backup ja kein Problem

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                                            A Former User @Guest last edited by A Former User

                                            @Thomas-Braun

                                            mir fällt gerade auf, dass er nicht ganz "blank" ist. Meine letzte Textsuche im Adapterfeld ist noch vorhanden.
                                            Oder kommt das von meinem Browser?

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