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  • Thomas BraunT Thomas Braun

    @tiger

    Copy the backupfile from your Desktop computer over to the Raspberry with FileZilla. Target directroy /opt/iobroker/backups

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    schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
    #113

    @thomas-braun

    everything done..
    try to restore...
    but

    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ iobroker restore 2022_08_15-10_41_07_backupiobroker.tar.gz
    iobroker controller daemon is not running
    host.raspberrypi OK.
    The current version of js-controller differs from the version in the backup.
    The js-controller version of the backup can not be restored automatically.
    To restore the js-controller version of the backup, execute "npm i iobroker.js-controller@3.1.6 --production" inside your ioBroker directory
    If you really want to restore the backup with the current installed js-controller, execute the restore command with the --force flag
    
    
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    • T Tiger

      @thomas-braun

      everything done..
      try to restore...
      but

      pi@raspberrypi:~ $ iobroker restore 2022_08_15-10_41_07_backupiobroker.tar.gz
      iobroker controller daemon is not running
      host.raspberrypi OK.
      The current version of js-controller differs from the version in the backup.
      The js-controller version of the backup can not be restored automatically.
      To restore the js-controller version of the backup, execute "npm i iobroker.js-controller@3.1.6 --production" inside your ioBroker directory
      If you really want to restore the backup with the current installed js-controller, execute the restore command with the --force flag
      
      
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      Homoran
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      schrieb am zuletzt editiert von Homoran
      #114

      @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

      but

      what a luck!

      as @crunchip mentioned you should install vis before restore
      so please do it now.


      the fialog asks you what controller you wsnt to have.
      The actual install also has the actual controller.

      Your backup has an ancient one

      so please install vis iobroker install vis after that make another try ant choose the

      @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

      restore command with the --force flag

      i.e.

      @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:
      iobroker restore 2022_08_15-10_41_07_backupiobroker.tar.gz --force

      (i hope)

      kein Support per PN! - Fragen im Forum stellen - es gibt fast nichts, was nicht auch für andere interessant ist.

      Benutzt das Voting rechts unten im Beitrag wenn er euch geholfen hat.

      der Installationsfixer: curl -fsL https://iobroker.net/fix.sh | bash -

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      • HomoranH Homoran

        @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

        but

        what a luck!

        as @crunchip mentioned you should install vis before restore
        so please do it now.


        the fialog asks you what controller you wsnt to have.
        The actual install also has the actual controller.

        Your backup has an ancient one

        so please install vis iobroker install vis after that make another try ant choose the

        @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

        restore command with the --force flag

        i.e.

        @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:
        iobroker restore 2022_08_15-10_41_07_backupiobroker.tar.gz --force

        (i hope)

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        schrieb am zuletzt editiert von Tiger
        #115

        @homoran

        Vis installed
        Backup with --force done...
        ADmin version has beenn downgrade to 4.0 as before...

        In the journal log it seems that iobroker is reinstalling all the adapters needed...

        as there is all line like that

        host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:43.415 info iobroker npm-install: 28 packages are looking for funding run npm fund for details
        host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:43.413 info iobroker npm-install: added 1 package in 5s
        host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:43.412 info iobroker npm-install:
        host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:37.347 info iobroker npm-install: Installing iobroker.history@1.9.10... (System call)
        host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:37.342 info iobroker npm-install: NPM version: 8.11.0
        host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:34.656 info iobroker install history@1.9.10 using installedFrom
        host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:34.656 warn startInstance cannot find adapter "history@1.9.10". Try to install it... 1 attempt

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        • T Tiger

          @homoran

          Vis installed
          Backup with --force done...
          ADmin version has beenn downgrade to 4.0 as before...

          In the journal log it seems that iobroker is reinstalling all the adapters needed...

          as there is all line like that

          host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:43.415 info iobroker npm-install: 28 packages are looking for funding run npm fund for details
          host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:43.413 info iobroker npm-install: added 1 package in 5s
          host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:43.412 info iobroker npm-install:
          host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:37.347 info iobroker npm-install: Installing iobroker.history@1.9.10... (System call)
          host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:37.342 info iobroker npm-install: NPM version: 8.11.0
          host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:34.656 info iobroker install history@1.9.10 using installedFrom
          host.raspberrypi 2022-08-16 15:16:34.656 warn startInstance cannot find adapter "history@1.9.10". Try to install it... 1 attempt

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          Homoran
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          schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
          #116

          @tiger at this moment the restore itself is finished and all adapters were built.
          this will last a time

          kein Support per PN! - Fragen im Forum stellen - es gibt fast nichts, was nicht auch für andere interessant ist.

          Benutzt das Voting rechts unten im Beitrag wenn er euch geholfen hat.

          der Installationsfixer: curl -fsL https://iobroker.net/fix.sh | bash -

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          • HomoranH Homoran

            @tiger at this moment the restore itself is finished and all adapters were built.
            this will last a time

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            schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
            #117

            @homoran said in Update System iobroker failed:

            this will last a time

            It can take is time:)
            after that, supposed that all adapters will be installed with the last versions...
            and the last thing will be to update the iobroker.admin... and perhaps js-controller depending of the version.

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            • T Tiger

              @homoran said in Update System iobroker failed:

              this will last a time

              It can take is time:)
              after that, supposed that all adapters will be installed with the last versions...
              and the last thing will be to update the iobroker.admin... and perhaps js-controller depending of the version.

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              schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
              #118

              @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

              supposed that all adapters will be installed with the last versions...

              no!
              they will stay in their versions of the backup.
              but now your controller is in a living version and all updates should work

              @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

              the last thing will be to update the iobroker.admin

              it has to be the next thing, and then the others

              kein Support per PN! - Fragen im Forum stellen - es gibt fast nichts, was nicht auch für andere interessant ist.

              Benutzt das Voting rechts unten im Beitrag wenn er euch geholfen hat.

              der Installationsfixer: curl -fsL https://iobroker.net/fix.sh | bash -

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              • HomoranH Homoran

                @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

                supposed that all adapters will be installed with the last versions...

                no!
                they will stay in their versions of the backup.
                but now your controller is in a living version and all updates should work

                @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

                the last thing will be to update the iobroker.admin

                it has to be the next thing, and then the others

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                schrieb am zuletzt editiert von Tiger
                #119

                @homoran
                everything came back as before.
                But, Things I forgot to do...

                Node-red doens't work as all node has to be reinstall ...

                So, what is your recommandation? trying to have all working as before and after made the update?

                Or I search before how to have the backup of Node-red and other things... before continue?

                same for VIS, not possible to connect to vis from browser

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                • T Tiger

                  @homoran
                  everything came back as before.
                  But, Things I forgot to do...

                  Node-red doens't work as all node has to be reinstall ...

                  So, what is your recommandation? trying to have all working as before and after made the update?

                  Or I search before how to have the backup of Node-red and other things... before continue?

                  same for VIS, not possible to connect to vis from browser

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                  schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                  #120

                  @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

                  Node-red doens't work as all node has to be reinstall ...
                  So, what is your recommandation? trying to have all working as before and after made the update?

                  ohhhh, I didn't work with node red for years now.
                  let's try to call @mickym , i guess he can help. I've read there are different possibilities to install the nodes not supplied with the adapter.

                  kein Support per PN! - Fragen im Forum stellen - es gibt fast nichts, was nicht auch für andere interessant ist.

                  Benutzt das Voting rechts unten im Beitrag wenn er euch geholfen hat.

                  der Installationsfixer: curl -fsL https://iobroker.net/fix.sh | bash -

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                  • T Tiger

                    @homoran
                    everything came back as before.
                    But, Things I forgot to do...

                    Node-red doens't work as all node has to be reinstall ...

                    So, what is your recommandation? trying to have all working as before and after made the update?

                    Or I search before how to have the backup of Node-red and other things... before continue?

                    same for VIS, not possible to connect to vis from browser

                    mickymM Online
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                    #121

                    @tiger You can try - the following.

                    Restore from your former image the package.json file into /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red directory. replace the existing one or rename it. Run npm install.

                    Change to that directory:

                    cd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red
                    npm install
                    

                    Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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                    • mickymM mickym

                      @tiger You can try - the following.

                      Restore from your former image the package.json file into /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red directory. replace the existing one or rename it. Run npm install.

                      Change to that directory:

                      cd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red
                      npm install
                      
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                      schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                      #122

                      @mickym

                      thanks for your answer,
                      To be sure what I've to do... (to avoid problem... I'm newbee :) )

                      I've juste to replace the package.json file in the actual directory /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red by the old one my old sdcard?

                      and after that run npm install, correct?

                      stupid question, to have access to the file on my old SDcard, is it possible to place the SDcard on my windows desktop pc and save it? or I've to place the old SDcard in the raspberry Pi to pick up file with filezilla?

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                      • T Tiger

                        @mickym

                        thanks for your answer,
                        To be sure what I've to do... (to avoid problem... I'm newbee :) )

                        I've juste to replace the package.json file in the actual directory /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red by the old one my old sdcard?

                        and after that run npm install, correct?

                        stupid question, to have access to the file on my old SDcard, is it possible to place the SDcard on my windows desktop pc and save it? or I've to place the old SDcard in the raspberry Pi to pick up file with filezilla?

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                        Global Moderator Administrators
                        schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                        #123

                        @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

                        is it possible to place the SDcard on my windows desktop pc and save it

                        I'm pretty sure windows won't see it :-(

                        kein Support per PN! - Fragen im Forum stellen - es gibt fast nichts, was nicht auch für andere interessant ist.

                        Benutzt das Voting rechts unten im Beitrag wenn er euch geholfen hat.

                        der Installationsfixer: curl -fsL https://iobroker.net/fix.sh | bash -

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                        • T Tiger

                          @homoran
                          everything came back as before.
                          But, Things I forgot to do...

                          Node-red doens't work as all node has to be reinstall ...

                          So, what is your recommandation? trying to have all working as before and after made the update?

                          Or I search before how to have the backup of Node-red and other things... before continue?

                          same for VIS, not possible to connect to vis from browser

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                          crunchip
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                          schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                          #124

                          @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

                          same for VIS, not possible to connect to vis from browser

                          show the settings for vis and web. You use the socketio?

                          umgestiegen von Proxmox auf Unraid

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                          • T Tiger

                            @mickym

                            thanks for your answer,
                            To be sure what I've to do... (to avoid problem... I'm newbee :) )

                            I've juste to replace the package.json file in the actual directory /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red by the old one my old sdcard?

                            and after that run npm install, correct?

                            stupid question, to have access to the file on my old SDcard, is it possible to place the SDcard on my windows desktop pc and save it? or I've to place the old SDcard in the raspberry Pi to pick up file with filezilla?

                            mickymM Online
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                            schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                            #125

                            @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

                            @mickym

                            thanks for your answer,
                            To be sure what I've to do... (to avoid problem... I'm newbee :) )

                            I've juste to replace the package.json file in the actual directory /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red by the old one my old sdcard?

                            and after that run npm install, correct?

                            stupid question, to have access to the file on my old SDcard, is it possible to place the SDcard on my windows desktop pc and save it? or I've to place the old SDcard in the raspberry Pi to pick up file with filezilla?

                            correct. I doubt that you can directly access the files on your SD card , because you have no drivers in windows. for the ext4 file system. In your case - I would boot with the old SD card and copy the whole directory /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red to your USB stick. When you boot with the new card - you should have access to all files wherever you mounted your USB stick. You should even be able to replace the complete new directory in the /opt/iobroker-dat with the old one. Rename the exiting one and replace it with the new one. If you want to know what the files in your /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red data mean you can have a look to my extensive description here: https://github.com/ioBroker/ioBroker.node-red/issues/320

                            Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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                            • mickymM mickym

                              @tiger You can try - the following.

                              Restore from your former image the package.json file into /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red directory. replace the existing one or rename it. Run npm install.

                              Change to that directory:

                              cd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red
                              npm install
                              
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                              schrieb am zuletzt editiert von Tiger
                              #126

                              @mickym
                              Sorry, didn't see your post before doing it...

                              So I took the package.json and replace in the node-red and made npm install in the directory

                              Error with alexa node, seems that the node used before doesn't exist now

                              pi@raspberrypi:/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red $ npm install
                              npm ERR! code ENOVERSIONS
                              npm ERR! No versions available for node-red-node-alexa
                              
                              npm ERR! A complete log of this run can be found in:
                              npm ERR!     /home/iobroker/.npm/_logs/2022-08-16T14_59_56_194Z-debug-0.log
                              
                              

                              log file 2022-08-16T14_59_56_194Z-debug-0.log

                              Do you want that I tryed with copy af all the directory? there is a lot of files... more than 60.000

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                              • T Tiger

                                @mickym
                                Sorry, didn't see your post before doing it...

                                So I took the package.json and replace in the node-red and made npm install in the directory

                                Error with alexa node, seems that the node used before doesn't exist now

                                pi@raspberrypi:/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/node-red $ npm install
                                npm ERR! code ENOVERSIONS
                                npm ERR! No versions available for node-red-node-alexa
                                
                                npm ERR! A complete log of this run can be found in:
                                npm ERR!     /home/iobroker/.npm/_logs/2022-08-16T14_59_56_194Z-debug-0.log
                                
                                

                                log file 2022-08-16T14_59_56_194Z-debug-0.log

                                Do you want that I tryed with copy af all the directory? there is a lot of files... more than 60.000

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                                schrieb am zuletzt editiert von mickym
                                #127

                                @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

                                node-red-node-alexa

                                So this node is no longer supported. As said you can rename the existing directory and copy the whole directory to the original place - but I do not recommend this. So better is to look for an replacement.

                                If you want to try if the old one is running copying the old directory in total - you should first rename the exiting one before you copy the old one. But better is to remove the alexa node. If this is the only error then you should have all except the alexa node.

                                to test if the old one will run. you can do

                                cd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data
                                mv node-red node-red.new
                                

                                and then copy the old directory into the iobroker-data directory. But I am not sure if this old alexa node will work at all.

                                Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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                                • mickymM mickym

                                  @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

                                  node-red-node-alexa

                                  So this node is no longer supported. As said you can rename the existing directory and copy the whole directory to the original place - but I do not recommend this. So better is to look for an replacement.

                                  If you want to try if the old one is running copying the old directory in total - you should first rename the exiting one before you copy the old one. But better is to remove the alexa node. If this is the only error then you should have all except the alexa node.

                                  to test if the old one will run. you can do

                                  cd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data
                                  mv node-red node-red.new
                                  

                                  and then copy the old directory into the iobroker-data directory. But I am not sure if this old alexa node will work at all.

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                                  schrieb am zuletzt editiert von Tiger
                                  #128

                                  @mickym

                                  I'm Trying to understand :)

                                  1 I've to test with your command

                                  cd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data
                                  mv node-red node-red.new
                                  

                                  once made, (depending of the result)

                                  • change the name of the directory to have backup I supposed
                                  • Copy all the directory from the old SD Card (lots of files... more than 60.000....) to the new SD Card at same place

                                  and after?

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                                  • crunchipC crunchip

                                    @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

                                    same for VIS, not possible to connect to vis from browser

                                    show the settings for vis and web. You use the socketio?

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                                    schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                                    #129

                                    @crunchip

                                    don't remember if socketio is used but it was installed.
                                    Web.0 is not configured, And I didn't reached to change the Ip adress.

                                    Configuration of VIS, nothing, lincence key is show and when checking licence it's OK

                                    Configuration of Web.0
                                    67924ee0-c9eb-412f-9045-0bf1aa712fc3-image.png

                                    No ip Adress, supposed is the reason

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                                    • T Tiger

                                      @mickym

                                      I'm Trying to understand :)

                                      1 I've to test with your command

                                      cd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data
                                      mv node-red node-red.new
                                      

                                      once made, (depending of the result)

                                      • change the name of the directory to have backup I supposed
                                      • Copy all the directory from the old SD Card (lots of files... more than 60.000....) to the new SD Card at same place

                                      and after?

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                                      #130

                                      @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

                                      @mickym

                                      I'm Trying to understand :)

                                      1 I've to test with your command

                                      cd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data
                                      mv node-red node-red.new
                                      

                                      once made, (depending of the result)

                                      • change the name of the directory to have backup I supposed
                                      • Copy all the directory from the old SD Card (lots of files... more than 60.000....) to the new SD Card at same place

                                      and after?

                                      after you copied the old directory under /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data make sure that the rights are adapted.

                                      go to the /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data directory and execute:

                                      cd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data
                                      sudo chown -R iobroker:iobroker node-red
                                      

                                      this will ensure that user iobroker has access to all files and you can try to start the adapter. If this will not work - you have to use again the backup (node-red.new) and delete the reference of the old alexa node in the package.json file. However I guess all other nodes should have been installed.

                                      I have to go off now and can only support you on my mobile. But this is very limited. But these are standard procedures all others should be familiar with. ;)

                                      Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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                                        @tiger sagte in Update System iobroker failed:

                                        @mickym

                                        I'm Trying to understand :)

                                        1 I've to test with your command

                                        cd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data
                                        mv node-red node-red.new
                                        

                                        once made, (depending of the result)

                                        • change the name of the directory to have backup I supposed
                                        • Copy all the directory from the old SD Card (lots of files... more than 60.000....) to the new SD Card at same place

                                        and after?

                                        after you copied the old directory under /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data make sure that the rights are adapted.

                                        go to the /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data directory and execute:

                                        cd /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data
                                        sudo chown -R iobroker:iobroker node-red
                                        

                                        this will ensure that user iobroker has access to all files and you can try to start the adapter. If this will not work - you have to use again the backup (node-red.new) and delete the reference of the old alexa node in the package.json file. However I guess all other nodes should have been installed.

                                        I have to go off now and can only support you on my mobile. But this is very limited. But these are standard procedures all others should be familiar with. ;)

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                                        @mickym said in Update System iobroker failed:

                                        make sure that the rights are adapted.

                                        What do you mean by that?

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                                          @mickym said in Update System iobroker failed:

                                          make sure that the rights are adapted.

                                          What do you mean by that?

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                                          @tiger If you copy with user pi - all files are owned by this user. As iobroker runs under user iobroker you need to change the owner of the files and directories.

                                          Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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