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    • Thomas Braun
      Thomas Braun Most Active @Elkja last edited by

      @elkja
      Steht im Werkzeugkasten drin.

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        Elkja @Thomas Braun last edited by

        @thomas-braun ....aahhh.....danke

        code_text
        ```021-09-02 21:02:24.506  - warn: modbus.0 (2238) Poll error count: 1 code: {"errorCode":131,"exceptionCode":10,"message":"GATEWAY PATH UNAVAILABLE"}
        2021-09-02 21:02:33.833  - info: host.raspberrypi "system.adapter.zigbee.0" enabled
        2021-09-02 21:02:33.998  - info: host.raspberrypi instance system.adapter.zigbee.0 started with pid 3127
        2021-09-02 21:02:37.814  - info: zigbee.0 (3127) starting. Version 1.6.1 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v12.22.6, js-controller: 3.3.15
        2021-09-02 21:02:37.900  - warn: fullybrowser.0 (2392) updateDeviceERROR 192.168.188.95
        2021-09-02 21:02:37.922  - info: zigbee.0 (3127) Starting Zigbee  npm ...
        2021-09-02 21:02:38.330  - info: zigbee.0 (3127) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
        2021-09-02 21:02:39.961  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) Configuration is not consistent with adapter state/backup!
        2021-09-02 21:02:39.962  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) - PAN ID: configured=65534, adapter=65534
        2021-09-02 21:02:39.963  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) - Extended PAN ID: configured=ddddddddddaddddc, adapter=00124b001940bcbe
        2021-09-02 21:02:39.963  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) - Network Key: configured=01030507090b0d0f00020406080a0c0d, adapter=01030507090b0d0f00020406080a0c0d
        2021-09-02 21:02:39.964  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) - Channel List: configured=11, adapter=
        2021-09-02 21:02:39.964  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) Please update configuration to prevent further issues.
        2021-09-02 21:02:39.964  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) If you wish to re-commission your network, please remove coordinator backup at /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/zigbee_0/nvbackup.json.
        2021-09-02 21:02:39.965  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) Re-commissioning your network will require re-pairing of all devices!
        2021-09-02 21:02:40.140  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "startup failed - configuration-adapter mismatch - see logs above for more information"
        2021-09-02 21:02:40.141  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) Failed to start Zigbee
        2021-09-02 21:02:40.141  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) Error herdsman start
        2021-09-02 21:02:47.111  - warn: fronius.0 (2376) TypeError: Cannot read property 'Value' of undefined
        2021-09-02 21:02:50.144  - info: zigbee.0 (3127) Try to reconnect. 1 attempts left
        2021-09-02 21:02:50.146  - info: zigbee.0 (3127) Starting Zigbee  npm ...
        2021-09-02 21:02:50.177  - info: zigbee.0 (3127) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
        2021-09-02 21:02:50.413  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot lock port'"
        2021-09-02 21:02:50.414  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) Failed to start Zigbee
        2021-09-02 21:02:50.414  - error: zigbee.0 (3127) Error herdsman start
        2021-09-02 21:02:53.684  - warn: modbus.0 (2238) Poll error count: 1 code: {"errorCode":131,"exceptionCode":10,"message":"GATEWAY PATH UNAVAILABLE"}
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        • Thomas Braun
          Thomas Braun Most Active last edited by

          @elkja

          Extended PAN ID: configured=ddddddddddaddddc, adapter=00124b001940bcbe
          

          Die muss schonmal übereinstimmen.

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            Elkja @Thomas Braun last edited by

            @thomas-braun ```
            code_text

            2021-09-02 21:08:41.171  - info: zigbee.0 (3166) Starting Zigbee  npm ...
            2021-09-02 21:08:41.563  - info: zigbee.0 (3166) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
            2021-09-02 21:08:43.194  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) Configuration is not consistent with adapter state/backup!
            2021-09-02 21:08:43.195  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) - PAN ID: configured=65534, adapter=65534
            2021-09-02 21:08:43.196  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) - Extended PAN ID: configured=bebc4019004b1200, adapter=00124b001940bcbe
            2021-09-02 21:08:43.197  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) - Network Key: configured=01030507090b0d0f00020406080a0c0d, adapter=010305070                       90b0d0f00020406080a0c0d
            2021-09-02 21:08:43.198  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) - Channel List: configured=11, adapter=
            2021-09-02 21:08:43.198  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) Please update configuration to prevent further issues.
            2021-09-02 21:08:43.199  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) If you wish to re-commission your network, please remove coordinator backup a                       t /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/zigbee_0/nvbackup.json.
            2021-09-02 21:08:43.200  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) Re-commissioning your network will require re-pairing of all devices!
            2021-09-02 21:08:43.364  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "startup failed - configuration-adapter mi                       smatch - see logs above for more information"
            2021-09-02 21:08:43.365  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) Failed to start Zigbee
            2021-09-02 21:08:43.365  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) Error herdsman start
            2021-09-02 21:08:47.012  - warn: fronius.0 (2376) TypeError: Cannot read property 'Value' of undefined
            2021-09-02 21:08:53.368  - info: zigbee.0 (3166) Try to reconnect. 1 attempts left
            2021-09-02 21:08:53.369  - info: zigbee.0 (3166) Starting Zigbee  npm ...
            2021-09-02 21:08:53.391  - info: zigbee.0 (3166) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
            2021-09-02 21:08:53.652  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Error while opening serialport 'Error: Er                       ror Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot lock port'"
            2021-09-02 21:08:53.653  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) Failed to start Zigbee
            2021-09-02 21:08:53.653  - error: zigbee.0 (3166) Error herdsman start
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            • Thomas Braun
              Thomas Braun Most Active @Elkja last edited by

              @elkja

              Fast.
              Jetzt noch einmal die Reihenfolge ändern.

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                Elkja @Thomas Braun last edited by

                @thomas-braun ``` ...jetzt hab ich beim der instanz die Pan ID rausgelöscht.....jetzt ist adapter und id gleich

                2021-09-02 21:17:23.493 - info: zigbee.0 (3277) cleaned everything up...
                2021-09-02 21:17:23.501 - info: zigbee.0 (3277) Zigbee: disabling joining new devices.
                2021-09-02 21:17:23.671 - warn: zigbee.0 (3277) Failed to stop zigbee during startup
                2021-09-02 21:17:23.671 - info: zigbee.0 (3277) terminating
                2021-09-02 21:17:23.673 - info: zigbee.0 (3277) Terminated (ADAPTER_REQUESTED_TERMINATION): Without reason
                2021-09-02 21:17:23.689 - warn: zigbee.0 (3277) Got terminate signal. Checking desired PID: 3306 vs own PID 3277
                2021-09-02 21:17:24.412 - error: host.raspberrypi instance system.adapter.zigbee.0 terminated by request of the instance itself and will not be resta rted, before user restarts it.
                2021-09-02 21:17:24.413 - info: host.raspberrypi Do not restart adapter system.adapter.zigbee.0 because desired by instance
                2021-09-02 21:17:27.825 - info: zigbee.0 (3306) starting. Version 1.6.1 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v12.22.6, js-controller: 3.3.15
                2021-09-02 21:17:27.953 - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting Zigbee npm ...
                2021-09-02 21:17:28.575 - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
                2021-09-02 21:17:30.101 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Configuration is not consistent with adapter state/backup!
                2021-09-02 21:17:30.101 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - PAN ID: configured=65534, adapter=65534
                2021-09-02 21:17:30.102 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - Extended PAN ID: configured=00124b001940bcbe, adapter=00124b001940bcbe
                2021-09-02 21:17:30.103 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - Network Key: configured=01030507090b0d0f00020406080a0c0d, adapter=01030507090b0d0f00020406080a0c0d
                2021-09-02 21:17:30.104 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - Channel List: configured=11, adapter=
                2021-09-02 21:17:30.105 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Please update configuration to prevent further issues.
                2021-09-02 21:17:30.105 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) If you wish to re-commission your network, please remove coordinator backup at /opt/iobroker/iobroke r-data/zigbee_0/nvbackup.json.
                2021-09-02 21:17:30.106 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Re-commissioning your network will require re-pairing of all devices!
                2021-09-02 21:17:30.284 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "startup failed - configuration-adapter mismatch - see logs above for more information"
                2021-09-02 21:17:30.285 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Failed to start Zigbee
                2021-09-02 21:17:30.285 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Error herdsman start
                2021-09-02 21:17:40.288 - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Try to reconnect. 1 attempts left
                2021-09-02 21:17:40.289 - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting Zigbee npm ...
                2021-09-02 21:17:40.309 - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
                2021-09-02 21:17:40.555 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot lock port'"
                2021-09-02 21:17:40.558 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Failed to start Zigbee
                2021-09-02 21:17:40.560 - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Error herdsman start

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                  Elkja @Elkja last edited by

                  code_text
                  2021-09-02 21:17:23.493  - info: zigbee.0 (3277) cleaned everything up...
                  2021-09-02 21:17:23.501  - info: zigbee.0 (3277) Zigbee: disabling joining new devices.
                  2021-09-02 21:17:23.671  - warn: zigbee.0 (3277) Failed to stop zigbee during startup
                  2021-09-02 21:17:23.671  - info: zigbee.0 (3277) terminating
                  2021-09-02 21:17:23.673  - info: zigbee.0 (3277) Terminated (ADAPTER_REQUESTED_TERMINATION): Without reason
                  2021-09-02 21:17:23.689  - warn: zigbee.0 (3277) Got terminate signal. Checking desired PID: 3306 vs own PID 3277
                  2021-09-02 21:17:24.412  - error: host.raspberrypi instance system.adapter.zigbee.0 terminated by request of the instance itself and will not be resta                    rted, before user restarts it.
                  2021-09-02 21:17:24.413  - info: host.raspberrypi Do not restart adapter system.adapter.zigbee.0 because desired by instance
                  2021-09-02 21:17:27.825  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) starting. Version 1.6.1 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v12.22.6, js-controller:                     3.3.15
                  2021-09-02 21:17:27.953  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting Zigbee  npm ...
                  2021-09-02 21:17:28.575  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
                  2021-09-02 21:17:30.101  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Configuration is not consistent with adapter state/backup!
                  2021-09-02 21:17:30.101  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - PAN ID: configured=65534, adapter=65534
                  2021-09-02 21:17:30.102  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - Extended PAN ID: configured=00124b001940bcbe, adapter=00124b001940bcbe
                  2021-09-02 21:17:30.103  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - Network Key: configured=01030507090b0d0f00020406080a0c0d, adapter=01030507090b0d0f00020406080a0c0d
                  2021-09-02 21:17:30.104  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - Channel List: configured=11, adapter=
                  2021-09-02 21:17:30.105  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Please update configuration to prevent further issues.
                  2021-09-02 21:17:30.105  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) If you wish to re-commission your network, please remove coordinator backup at /opt/iobroker/iobroke                    r-data/zigbee_0/nvbackup.json.
                  2021-09-02 21:17:30.106  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Re-commissioning your network will require re-pairing of all devices!
                  2021-09-02 21:17:30.284  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "startup failed - configuration-adapter mismatch - see logs above                     for more information"
                  2021-09-02 21:17:30.285  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Failed to start Zigbee
                  2021-09-02 21:17:30.285  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Error herdsman start
                  2021-09-02 21:17:40.288  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Try to reconnect. 1 attempts left
                  2021-09-02 21:17:40.289  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting Zigbee  npm ...
                  2021-09-02 21:17:40.309  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
                  2021-09-02 21:17:40.555  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot lock port'"
                  2021-09-02 21:17:40.558  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Failed to start Zigbee
                  2021-09-02 21:17:40.560  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Error herdsman start
                  
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                    Elkja @Thomas Braun last edited by

                    @thomas-braun

                    code_text
                    `2021-09-02 21:17:23.493  - info: zigbee.0 (3277) cleaned everything up...
                    2021-09-02 21:17:23.501  - info: zigbee.0 (3277) Zigbee: disabling joining new devices.
                    2021-09-02 21:17:23.671  - warn: zigbee.0 (3277) Failed to stop zigbee during startup
                    2021-09-02 21:17:23.671  - info: zigbee.0 (3277) terminating
                    2021-09-02 21:17:23.673  - info: zigbee.0 (3277) Terminated (ADAPTER_REQUESTED_TERMINATION): Without reason
                    2021-09-02 21:17:23.689  - warn: zigbee.0 (3277) Got terminate signal. Checking desired PID: 3306 vs own PID 3277
                    2021-09-02 21:17:24.412  - error: host.raspberrypi instance system.adapter.zigbee.0 terminated by request of the instance itself and will not be resta                    rted, before user restarts it.
                    2021-09-02 21:17:24.413  - info: host.raspberrypi Do not restart adapter system.adapter.zigbee.0 because desired by instance
                    2021-09-02 21:17:27.825  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) starting. Version 1.6.1 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v12.22.6, js-controller:                     3.3.15
                    2021-09-02 21:17:27.953  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting Zigbee  npm ...
                    2021-09-02 21:17:28.575  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
                    2021-09-02 21:17:30.101  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Configuration is not consistent with adapter state/backup!
                    2021-09-02 21:17:30.101  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - PAN ID: configured=65534, adapter=65534
                    2021-09-02 21:17:30.102  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - Extended PAN ID: configured=00124b001940bcbe, adapter=00124b001940bcbe
                    2021-09-02 21:17:30.103  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - Network Key: configured=01030507090b0d0f00020406080a0c0d, adapter=01030507090b0d0f00020406080a0c0d
                    2021-09-02 21:17:30.104  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) - Channel List: configured=11, adapter=
                    2021-09-02 21:17:30.105  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Please update configuration to prevent further issues.
                    2021-09-02 21:17:30.105  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) If you wish to re-commission your network, please remove coordinator backup at /opt/iobroker/iobroke                    r-data/zigbee_0/nvbackup.json.
                    2021-09-02 21:17:30.106  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Re-commissioning your network will require re-pairing of all devices!
                    2021-09-02 21:17:30.284  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "startup failed - configuration-adapter mismatch - see logs above                     for more information"
                    2021-09-02 21:17:30.285  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Failed to start Zigbee
                    2021-09-02 21:17:30.285  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Error herdsman start
                    2021-09-02 21:17:40.288  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Try to reconnect. 1 attempts left
                    2021-09-02 21:17:40.289  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting Zigbee  npm ...
                    2021-09-02 21:17:40.309  - info: zigbee.0 (3306) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
                    2021-09-02 21:17:40.555  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot lock port'"
                    2021-09-02 21:17:40.558  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Failed to start Zigbee
                    2021-09-02 21:17:40.560  - error: zigbee.0 (3306) Error herdsman start
                    ``
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                      Elkja @Thomas Braun last edited by

                      @thomas-braun ....leider ändert sich der status des adapters nicht.....pan-id und adapter sind jetzt gleich.
                      hast du ev. noch einen tip was da noch sein kann?

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                        Elkja @Thomas Braun last edited by

                        @thomas-braun

                        2021-09-02 21:50:20.128  - info: zigbee.0 (3477) starting. Version 1.6.1 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v12.22.6, js-controller: 3.3.15
                        2021-09-02 21:50:20.248  - info: zigbee.0 (3477) Starting Zigbee  npm ...
                        2021-09-02 21:50:20.751  - info: zigbee.0 (3477) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
                        2021-09-02 21:50:22.273  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) Configuration is not consistent with adapter state/backup!
                        2021-09-02 21:50:22.274  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) - PAN ID: configured=65534, adapter=65534
                        2021-09-02 21:50:22.274  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) - Extended PAN ID: configured=00124b001940bcbe, adapter=00124b001940bcbe
                        2021-09-02 21:50:22.275  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) - Network Key: configured=01030507090b0d0f00020406080a0c0d, adapter=01030507090b0d0f00020406080a0c0d
                        2021-09-02 21:50:22.275  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) - Channel List: configured=11, adapter=
                        2021-09-02 21:50:22.276  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) Please update configuration to prevent further issues.
                        2021-09-02 21:50:22.276  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) If you wish to re-commission your network, please remove coordinator backup at /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/zigbee_0/nvba                  ckup.json.
                        2021-09-02 21:50:22.276  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) Re-commissioning your network will require re-pairing of all devices!
                        2021-09-02 21:50:22.437  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "startup failed - configuration-adapter mismatch - see logs above for more informatio                  n"
                        2021-09-02 21:50:22.438  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) Failed to start Zigbee
                        2021-09-02 21:50:22.438  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) Error herdsman start
                        2021-09-02 21:50:32.441  - info: zigbee.0 (3477) Try to reconnect. 1 attempts left
                        2021-09-02 21:50:32.443  - info: zigbee.0 (3477) Starting Zigbee  npm ...
                        2021-09-02 21:50:32.491  - info: zigbee.0 (3477) Installed Version: ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
                        2021-09-02 21:50:32.797  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot                   lock port'"
                        2021-09-02 21:50:32.798  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) Failed to start Zigbee
                        2021-09-02 21:50:32.799  - error: zigbee.0 (3477) Error herdsman start
                        
                        
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                        • Thomas Braun
                          Thomas Braun Most Active @Elkja last edited by Thomas Braun

                          @elkja

                          die nvbackup.json hast du da mal weg manövriert?

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                            Elkja @Thomas Braun last edited by

                            @thomas-braun ....ja stimmt leider.

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                              Thomas Braun Most Active @Elkja last edited by

                              @elkja

                              Was ist das eigentlich für eine merkwürdige Versionsnummer?

                              ioBroker/ioBroker.zigbee#master
                              
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                                Elkja @Thomas Braun last edited by

                                @thomas-braun hab ich über git installiert

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                                  Thomas Braun Most Active @Elkja last edited by

                                  @elkja Solltest du nicht tun.

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                                    Elkja @Thomas Braun last edited by

                                    @thomas-braun hab ich auch schon gemerkt,dass das nicht immer gut ist.....bin schon verzweifelt.....weiss nicht mehr was ich noch machen soll.
                                    meine Frau ist schon sauer weil kinder frieren....und ich bekommst nicht mehr hin 😞

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                                      Thomas Braun Most Active @Elkja last edited by

                                      @elkja Installier halt eine stabile. In git liegt Code in allen möglichen Zuständen.

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                                        Elkja @Thomas Braun last edited by

                                        @thomas-braun welche soll ich denn nehmen ?

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                                          Thomas Braun Most Active @Elkja last edited by Thomas Braun

                                          @elkja
                                          Was aus stable?

                                          github:	1.6.1
                                          latest:	1.6.0 for 24 days
                                          stable:	1.5.6 for 96 days
                                          
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                                            Elkja @Thomas Braun last edited by

                                            @thomas-braun hab wo gelesen, wenn man mal auf 1.6 ist gibts kein zurück mehr. stimmt das?

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