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  • 1 1984chris

    @mickym
    Vielen Danke, werde es später probieren.
    Muss jetzt leider weg.
    Melde mich später wieder.

    LG Christoph

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    schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
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    @1984chris
    bin gerade am testen will damit einen shelly ein oder Ausschalten wenn die Filter Node am Ende ist funktioniert das nicht. Wenn ich Schgalter aus mit 1 ON und Schalter aus mit 0 Off verbinde funktioniert es. Es werden dann halt wenn sekündlich Werte geschickt werden z.b für Ein diese immer weitergeleitet an den Shelly wie kann ich das unterbinden?

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    • 1 1984chris

      @1984chris
      bin gerade am testen will damit einen shelly ein oder Ausschalten wenn die Filter Node am Ende ist funktioniert das nicht. Wenn ich Schgalter aus mit 1 ON und Schalter aus mit 0 Off verbinde funktioniert es. Es werden dann halt wenn sekündlich Werte geschickt werden z.b für Ein diese immer weitergeleitet an den Shelly wie kann ich das unterbinden?

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      schrieb am zuletzt editiert von mickym
      #33

      @1984chris

      Dann mach halt nicht das mit Pumpe ein 0 - das hast Du doch eingeführt, sondern setze die Schalter auf on, off oder true, false.
      Im Übrigen muss man auch nicht über RPC schalten und function Nodes braucht man dafür auch nicht.

      In der Regel mache ich alles über mqtt.
      Wenn Du mqtt nutzt kannst Du auch Gen2 Geräte direkt über einen command topic schalten.

      https://shelly-api-docs.shelly.cloud/gen2/ComponentsAndServices/Switch#mqtt-control

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      Und falls Du Objekte versenden willst, geht das auch mit JSONATA einfacher als mit function Nodes.

      a09ea1e8-a21d-4c9a-ae05-b440d617e8b2-image.png

      Sowas ist Käse - damit schaltest Du gleichzeitig ein und aus. Du musst das doch vorher festlegen.

      Wenn dann schaltest Du true/false vorher - also werde ich jetzt mal Schalter ein auf true setzen und Schalter aus auf false.

      0338fcdd-69e4-4f1f-95d0-840f7769d40c-image.png

      für Schalter aus entsprechend.

      Wenn Du das RPC verwenden willst und nicht das Command über mqtt, dann erstellt man mit einer Change Node das Objekt und die payload, die aus dem filter kommt ist nur true oder false.

      339fb12a-2bec-452c-8aad-223890eb105d-image.png

      Also ab Schalter ein/aus die Nodes durch diese ersetzen - die function Nodes sparst Du Dir und nutzt JSONATA mit einer Change Node.

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      Was das dahinten sein soll, verstehe ich nicht

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      Ich würde es wieder wegschmeissen und meinen ursprünglichen Flow nehmen.

      Hier nochmal mein ursprünglicher Flow - da musst halt die Shelly Node wieder hinten dran hängen - oder Du nutzt halt mqtt und nicht diese Nodes. ;)

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      Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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      • mickymM mickym

        @1984chris

        Dann mach halt nicht das mit Pumpe ein 0 - das hast Du doch eingeführt, sondern setze die Schalter auf on, off oder true, false.
        Im Übrigen muss man auch nicht über RPC schalten und function Nodes braucht man dafür auch nicht.

        In der Regel mache ich alles über mqtt.
        Wenn Du mqtt nutzt kannst Du auch Gen2 Geräte direkt über einen command topic schalten.

        https://shelly-api-docs.shelly.cloud/gen2/ComponentsAndServices/Switch#mqtt-control

        0a9b6d9f-41e7-4dd8-a0ec-2f697e93b68e-image.png

        Und falls Du Objekte versenden willst, geht das auch mit JSONATA einfacher als mit function Nodes.

        a09ea1e8-a21d-4c9a-ae05-b440d617e8b2-image.png

        Sowas ist Käse - damit schaltest Du gleichzeitig ein und aus. Du musst das doch vorher festlegen.

        Wenn dann schaltest Du true/false vorher - also werde ich jetzt mal Schalter ein auf true setzen und Schalter aus auf false.

        0338fcdd-69e4-4f1f-95d0-840f7769d40c-image.png

        für Schalter aus entsprechend.

        Wenn Du das RPC verwenden willst und nicht das Command über mqtt, dann erstellt man mit einer Change Node das Objekt und die payload, die aus dem filter kommt ist nur true oder false.

        339fb12a-2bec-452c-8aad-223890eb105d-image.png

        Also ab Schalter ein/aus die Nodes durch diese ersetzen - die function Nodes sparst Du Dir und nutzt JSONATA mit einer Change Node.

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        Was das dahinten sein soll, verstehe ich nicht

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        Ich würde es wieder wegschmeissen und meinen ursprünglichen Flow nehmen.

        Hier nochmal mein ursprünglicher Flow - da musst halt die Shelly Node wieder hinten dran hängen - oder Du nutzt halt mqtt und nicht diese Nodes. ;)

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        @mickym
        das habe ich gemacht das die Verzögerung nicht bei jedem Wert (wenn <2500W,SOC<80% usw.)um eins raufgesetzt wird und mit einem >2500W, SOC>80% usw wird die Verzögerung wieder zurückgesetzt und der Filter bekommt auch eine Änderung, passt das nicht so? weil es funktioniert Eigentlich.

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          @mickym
          das habe ich gemacht das die Verzögerung nicht bei jedem Wert (wenn <2500W,SOC<80% usw.)um eins raufgesetzt wird und mit einem >2500W, SOC>80% usw wird die Verzögerung wieder zurückgesetzt und der Filter bekommt auch eine Änderung, passt das nicht so? weil es funktioniert Eigentlich.

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          #35

          @1984chris Selbst wenn die Verzögerungen um 8 raufgesetz werden, und einmal ein Pumpe ein kommt, wird nicht um 1 runtergesetzt, sondern die Delay Node wird komplett zurückgesetzt. Ein reset setzt immer sofort auf 0.

          Der Filter braucht man nur zum Schluss. Wenn Du 8 mal off/false ankommt, kommt das nur einmal durch - dafür ist der Filter ja da und den braucht man nur zum Schluss. Wie gesagt - ich habe nun Schalter ein und aus auf true und false gesetzt.

          Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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            @1984chris Selbst wenn die Verzögerungen um 8 raufgesetz werden, und einmal ein Pumpe ein kommt, wird nicht um 1 runtergesetzt, sondern die Delay Node wird komplett zurückgesetzt. Ein reset setzt immer sofort auf 0.

            Der Filter braucht man nur zum Schluss. Wenn Du 8 mal off/false ankommt, kommt das nur einmal durch - dafür ist der Filter ja da und den braucht man nur zum Schluss. Wie gesagt - ich habe nun Schalter ein und aus auf true und false gesetzt.

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            #36

            @mickym
            ich bekomme halt sekündlich werte das spielt dann keine Rolle?

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              @mickym
              ich bekomme halt sekündlich werte das spielt dann keine Rolle?

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              @1984chris sagte in Function Node welche zwei Werte vergleicht:

              @mickym
              ich bekomme halt sekündlich werte das spielt dann keine Rolle?

              Na das wird durch den Filter blockiert - somit bekommt Dein Shelly nicht dauernd Kommandos. Du siehst doch an der debug Node Ergebnis, dass nur beim Wechsel von aus/ein ein Kommando durchkommt.

              Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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                @1984chris Selbst wenn die Verzögerungen um 8 raufgesetz werden, und einmal ein Pumpe ein kommt, wird nicht um 1 runtergesetzt, sondern die Delay Node wird komplett zurückgesetzt. Ein reset setzt immer sofort auf 0.

                Der Filter braucht man nur zum Schluss. Wenn Du 8 mal off/false ankommt, kommt das nur einmal durch - dafür ist der Filter ja da und den braucht man nur zum Schluss. Wie gesagt - ich habe nun Schalter ein und aus auf true und false gesetzt.

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                @mickym
                Das beim Schalter ein Setze String Pumpe ein 1 habe ich gehabt weil ich ein UDP Telegramm mit diesen Inhalt versende und das im Homserver die Pumpe aktiviert.Wie kan ich das jetzt lösen?

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                • mickymM mickym

                  @1984chris sagte in Function Node welche zwei Werte vergleicht:

                  @mickym
                  ich bekomme halt sekündlich werte das spielt dann keine Rolle?

                  Na das wird durch den Filter blockiert - somit bekommt Dein Shelly nicht dauernd Kommandos. Du siehst doch an der debug Node Ergebnis, dass nur beim Wechsel von aus/ein ein Kommando durchkommt.

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                  @mickym
                  Ich meinte nur das der Zähler bei der Verzögerung (blaue Ziffer) immer höher wird.

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                    @mickym
                    Das beim Schalter ein Setze String Pumpe ein 1 habe ich gehabt weil ich ein UDP Telegramm mit diesen Inhalt versende und das im Homserver die Pumpe aktiviert.Wie kan ich das jetzt lösen?

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                    @mickym
                    Das beim Schalter ein Setze String Pumpe ein 1 habe ich gehabt weil ich ein UDP Telegramm mit diesen Inhalt versende und das im Homserver die Pumpe aktiviert.Wie kan ich das jetzt lösen?

                    Also Du schaltest sowohl einen Shelly - als auch irgendwas im Homeserver.

                    Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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                      @1984chris sagte in Function Node welche zwei Werte vergleicht:

                      @mickym
                      Das beim Schalter ein Setze String Pumpe ein 1 habe ich gehabt weil ich ein UDP Telegramm mit diesen Inhalt versende und das im Homserver die Pumpe aktiviert.Wie kan ich das jetzt lösen?

                      Also Du schaltest sowohl einen Shelly - als auch irgendwas im Homeserver.

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                      @mickym
                      ja.

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                        @mickym
                        Ich meinte nur das der Zähler bei der Verzögerung (blaue Ziffer) immer höher wird.

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                        @mickym
                        Ich meinte nur das der Zähler bei der Verzögerung (blaue Ziffer) immer höher wird.

                        Ja aber das stört ja nicht. In der Regel baut man halt keine zeitliche Verzögerungen ein, sondern nimmt ein Hysterese um unnötiges Schalten zu verhindern.

                        Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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                          @1984chris sagte in Function Node welche zwei Werte vergleicht:

                          @mickym
                          Ich meinte nur das der Zähler bei der Verzögerung (blaue Ziffer) immer höher wird.

                          Ja aber das stört ja nicht. In der Regel baut man halt keine zeitliche Verzögerungen ein, sondern nimmt ein Hysterese um unnötiges Schalten zu verhindern.

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                          ok dachte nur.
                          Dann lösch ich das wieder raus.

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                            @1984chris sagte in Function Node welche zwei Werte vergleicht:

                            @mickym
                            Ich meinte nur das der Zähler bei der Verzögerung (blaue Ziffer) immer höher wird.

                            Ja aber das stört ja nicht. In der Regel baut man halt keine zeitliche Verzögerungen ein, sondern nimmt ein Hysterese um unnötiges Schalten zu verhindern.

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                            @mickym
                            Ich erkläre dir mein Vorhaben,
                            Habe einen Homserver mit einer Zeitschaltuhr wo die Poolpumpe jeden tag 3 mal je 2 Stunden eingeschaltet wird (dafür brauche ich die UDP Telegramme) das ich diese Zeitschaltuhr ausschalte und die Poolpumpe direkt einschalte bei PV Überschuss und die Wärmepumpe.Ich hoffe hab das halbwegs erklärt.

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                              @mickym
                              ja.

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                              @1984chris sagte in Function Node welche zwei Werte vergleicht:

                              @mickym
                              ja.

                              f4b91562-ba4e-48e5-a96d-be2254a26f92-image.png

                              Dann bereitest Du die payload je nachdem ob true oder false einmal für den Shelly und einmal für den Homeserver auf. Wird ja dann gleichzeitig gesendet.

                              [{"id":"0858f158df46bb51","type":"debug","z":"517cd16e4d7e6ae4","name":"Ergebnis für Shelly","active":true,"tosidebar":true,"console":false,"tostatus":false,"complete":"payload","targetType":"msg","statusVal":"","statusType":"auto","x":3070,"y":3680,"wires":[]},{"id":"fe12d75c77ea96a9","type":"change","z":"517cd16e4d7e6ae4","name":"","rules":[{"t":"set","p":"payload","pt":"msg","to":"{\t   \"method\": \"Switch.Set\",\t   \"parameters\" : {\t       \"id\" : 0,\t       \"on\": payload       \t   }\t}","tot":"jsonata"}],"action":"","property":"","from":"","to":"","reg":false,"x":2830,"y":3660,"wires":[["0858f158df46bb51"]]},{"id":"b1dfdd79c609cc2a","type":"change","z":"517cd16e4d7e6ae4","name":"","rules":[{"t":"set","p":"payload","pt":"msg","to":"payload ? \"Pumpe ein 1\" : \"Pumpe aus 0\"","tot":"jsonata"}],"action":"","property":"","from":"","to":"","reg":false,"x":2830,"y":3580,"wires":[["f128f99f6a4ec367"]]},{"id":"f128f99f6a4ec367","type":"debug","z":"517cd16e4d7e6ae4","name":"Ergebnis für Homeserver","active":true,"tosidebar":true,"console":false,"tostatus":false,"complete":"payload","targetType":"msg","statusVal":"","statusType":"auto","x":3090,"y":3560,"wires":[]}]
                              

                              Nochmal zur Hysterese. In der Regel macht man sowas halt nicht zeitorientiert, sondern nimmt einen Puffer.
                              Lassen wir mal den SOC bei 80 - aber bei dem Überschuss nehme ich keine feste Grenze von 2500,

                              sondern ich sage ab 2500 schalte Wärmepumpe ein, schalte sie aber erst aus, wenn der Überschuss unter 2300 sinkt. In dem Puffer passiert gar nichts. Also man nimmt gewisse Pufferbereiche um kurzfristige Schwankungen auszugleichen und keinen zeitlichen Puffer.

                              Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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                                @mickym
                                Ich erkläre dir mein Vorhaben,
                                Habe einen Homserver mit einer Zeitschaltuhr wo die Poolpumpe jeden tag 3 mal je 2 Stunden eingeschaltet wird (dafür brauche ich die UDP Telegramme) das ich diese Zeitschaltuhr ausschalte und die Poolpumpe direkt einschalte bei PV Überschuss und die Wärmepumpe.Ich hoffe hab das halbwegs erklärt.

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                                @1984chris sagte in Function Node welche zwei Werte vergleicht:

                                @mickym
                                Ich erkläre dir mein Vorhaben,
                                Habe einen Homserver mit einer Zeitschaltuhr wo die Poolpumpe jeden tag 3 mal je 2 Stunden eingeschaltet wird (dafür brauche ich die UDP Telegramme) das ich diese Zeitschaltuhr ausschalte und die Poolpumpe direkt einschalte bei PV Überschuss und die Wärmepumpe.Ich hoffe hab das halbwegs erklärt.

                                Ich hab dir oben true/false einmal für den Shelly und gleichzeitig für den Homeserver aufbereitet.

                                Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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                                  @mickym
                                  ok dachte nur.
                                  Dann lösch ich das wieder raus.

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                                  @mickym
                                  ok dachte nur.
                                  Dann lösch ich das wieder raus.

                                  Was Du machen kannst, wenn Du die Anzahl Nachrichten vermindern willst, dann kannst Du auch eine delay Node nehmen und die Nachrichtenrate begrenzen.

                                  Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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                                    @1984chris sagte in Function Node welche zwei Werte vergleicht:

                                    @mickym
                                    ok dachte nur.
                                    Dann lösch ich das wieder raus.

                                    Was Du machen kannst, wenn Du die Anzahl Nachrichten vermindern willst, dann kannst Du auch eine delay Node nehmen und die Nachrichtenrate begrenzen.

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                                    @mickym
                                    das ist ja die Verzögerung oder?

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                                      @mickym
                                      das ist ja die Verzögerung oder?

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                                      @1984chris Nein die Delay Node kann zum einen verzögern oder die Nachrichtenrate begrenzen.

                                      4c8062cb-17e3-453e-a2b1-231cde51dd82-image.png

                                      So könntest auch einstellen 1 Nachricht in 10s oder was auch immer.

                                      Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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                                        @1984chris Nein die Delay Node kann zum einen verzögern oder die Nachrichtenrate begrenzen.

                                        4c8062cb-17e3-453e-a2b1-231cde51dd82-image.png

                                        So könntest auch einstellen 1 Nachricht in 10s oder was auch immer.

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                                        @mickym
                                        was wäre hier ein sinvoller wert?

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                                          @mickym
                                          was wäre hier ein sinvoller wert?

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                                          @1984chris Wenn ich ehrlich bin würde ich generell diese ganze Verzögern nach dem Filtern mit einer trigger Node machen. Ich mach Dir mal einen Vorschlag, den kannst Du ja mal ausprobieren.

                                          Jeder Flow bzw. jedes Script, das ich hier poste implementiert jeder auf eigene Gefahr. Flows und Scripts können Fehler aufweisen und weder der Seitenbetreiber noch ich persönlich können hierfür haftbar gemacht werden. Das gleiche gilt für Empfehlungen aller Art.

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