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    Error herdsman start Failed to start Zigbee

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    • Thomas Braun
      Thomas Braun Most Active @varg last edited by

      @varg

      Per

      iob nodejs-update 18
      

      das Ding auf die empfohlene Version drücken.

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        varg @Thomas Braun last edited by varg

        @thomas-braun said in Error herdsman start Failed to start Zigbee:

        iob nodejs-update 18

        ioBroker nodejs updater 2023-10-13
        You requested to intall latest version from nodejs v18 tree.
        
        Your current setup is:
        /usr/bin/nodejs         v20.10.0
        /usr/bin/node           v20.10.0
        /usr/bin/npm            10.2.3
        /usr/bin/npx            10.2.3
        /usr/bin/corepack       0.22.0
        
        We found these nodejs versions available for installation:
        
        nodejs:
          Installed: 20.10.0-1nodesource1
          Candidate: 20.10.0-1nodesource1
          Version table:
         *** 20.10.0-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
                100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
             20.9.0-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.8.1-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.8.0-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.7.0-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.6.1-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.6.0-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.5.1-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.5.0-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.4.0-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.3.1-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.3.0-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.2.0-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.1.0-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             20.0.0-1nodesource1 600
                500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
             18.19.0+dfsg-6~deb12u1 500
                500 http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/main arm64 Packages
             18.13.0+dfsg1-1 500
                500 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main arm64 Packages
        
        
        
        Nothing to do - Your installation is using the correct paths.
        
        You are running nodejs v20.10.0. Do you want to install latest version from nodejs v.18 tree?
        
        Press <y> to continue or any other key to quit
        Trying to update your installation now. Please be patient.
        Waiting for ioBroker to shut down - Give me a minute...
        ############################################################
        
        *** These repos are active on your system:
        Hit:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
        Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease
        Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
        Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.com/debian bookworm InRelease
        Reading package lists... Done
        
        *** Installing ca-certificates, curl and gnupg, just in case they are missing.
        
        *** Creating new /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nodesource.list and pinning source
        
        deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/nodesource.gpg] https://deb.nodesource.com/node_18.x nodistro main
        Package: nodejs
        Pin: origin deb.nodesource.com
        Pin-Priority: 1001
        
        *** These repos are active after the adjustments:
        Hit:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
        Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease
        Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
        Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.com/debian bookworm InRelease
        Get:5 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_18.x nodistro InRelease [12.1 kB]
        Get:6 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_18.x nodistro/main armhf Packages [6656 B]
        Get:7 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_18.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages [6613 B]
        Fetched 25.4 kB in 1s (45.4 kB/s)
        Reading package lists... Done
        
        Installing the recommended nodejs version now!
        
        Exact recommended version unknown, installing a fallback!
        dpkg: warning: downgrading nodejs from 20.10.0-1nodesource1 to 18.0.0-1nodesource1
        (Reading database ... 68077 files and directories currently installed.)
        Preparing to unpack .../nodejs_18.0.0-1nodesource1_arm64.deb ...
        Detected old npm client, removing...
        Unpacking nodejs (18.0.0-1nodesource1) over (20.10.0-1nodesource1) ...
        Setting up nodejs (18.0.0-1nodesource1) ...
        Processing triggers for man-db (2.11.2-2) ...
        
        Updating fallback to latest nodejs v18 release
        (Reading database ... 68299 files and directories currently installed.)
        Preparing to unpack .../nodejs_18.19.0-1nodesource1_arm64.deb ...
        Detected old npm client, removing...
        Unpacking nodejs (18.19.0-1nodesource1) over (18.0.0-1nodesource1) ...
        Setting up nodejs (18.19.0-1nodesource1) ...
        Processing triggers for man-db (2.11.2-2) ...
        v18.19.0 has been installed! You are using the latest version now!
        Installing the recommended nodejs version!
        
        We tried our best to update or fix your nodejs. Please run iob diag again to verify.
        
        *** RESTARTING ioBroker NOW! ***
         Please refresh or restart your browser in a few moments.
        
        pi@iobrokerpi5:~ $
        
        

        moment ich check ob sich was geändert hat und danke schonmal für den Beistand

        Node.js v18.19.0
        pi@iobrokerpi5:~ $ nodejs -v
        v18.19.0
        pi@iobrokerpi5:~ $ node -v
        v18.19.0
        pi@iobrokerpi5:~ $ npm -v
        10.2.3
        pi@iobrokerpi5:~ $

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          varg @Thomas Braun last edited by varg

          @thomas-braun

          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:17:42.424	error	Error herdsman start
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:17:42.423	error	Failed to start Zigbee
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:17:42.423	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot lock port'"
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:17:42.303	info	Installed Version: iobroker.zigbee@1.9.5
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:17:42.297	info	Starting Zigbee npm ...
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:17:42.297	info	Try to reconnect. 1 attempts left
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:17:32.294	error	Error herdsman start
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:17:32.293	error	Failed to start Zigbee
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:17:32.293	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)"
          
          pi@iobrokerpi5:~ $ ls -ls /dev/serial/by-id/
          total 0
          0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jan  5 12:15 usb-Texas_Instruments_XDS110__03.00.00.26__Embed_with_CMSIS-DAP_L1100VGY-if00 -> ../../ttyACM0
          0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jan  5 12:15 usb-Texas_Instruments_XDS110__03.00.00.26__Embed_with_CMSIS-DAP_L1100VGY-if03 -> ../../ttyACM1
          
          
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:29.585	error	Error herdsman start
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:29.584	error	Failed to start Zigbee
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:29.584	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot lock port'"
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:29.459	info	Installed Version: iobroker.zigbee@1.9.5
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:29.451	info	Starting Zigbee npm ...
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:29.450	info	Try to reconnect. 1 attempts left
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:19.447	error	Error herdsman start
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:19.447	error	Failed to start Zigbee
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:19.447	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "startup failed - configuration-adapter mismatch - see logs above for more information"
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:19.376	error	Re-commissioning your network will require re-pairing of all devices!
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:19.375	error	If you wish to re-commission your network, please remove coordinator backup at /opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/zigbee_0/nvbackup.json.
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:19.375	error	Please update configuration to prevent further issues.
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:19.375	error	- Channel List: configured=11, adapter=11
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:19.374	error	- Network Key: configured=ffffffffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, adapter=ffffffffffffffffbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:19.374	error	- Extended PAN ID: configured=ffffffffaaaaaaaa, adapter=ddddddddaaaaaaaa
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:19.374	error	- PAN ID: configured=6754, adapter=6754
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:19:19.373	error	Configuration is not consistent with adapter state/backup!
          
          1
          Zeit
          debug
          Nachricht
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:22:15.518	error	Error herdsman start
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:22:15.518	error	Failed to start Zigbee
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:22:15.517	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "network commissioning timed out - most likely network with the same panId or extendedPanId already exists nearby"
          
          admin.0
          2024-01-05 12:22:13.107	info	<== Disconnect system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.55
          
          admin.0
          2024-01-05 12:22:13.107	info	<== Disconnect system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.55
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:22:04.147	info	List of port: [{"path":"/dev/ttyACM0","manufacturer":"Texas Instruments","serialNumber":"L1100VGY","pnpId":"usb-Texas_Instruments_XDS110__03.00.00.26__Embed_with_CMSIS-DAP_L1100VGY-if00","vendorId":"0451","productId":"bef3"},{"path":"/dev/ttyACM1","manufacturer":"Texas Instruments","serialNumber":"L1100VGY","pnpId":"usb-Texas_Instruments_XDS110__03.00.00.26__Embed_with_CMSIS-DAP_L1100VGY-if03","vendorId":"0451","productId":"bef3"},{"path":"/dev/ttyAMA10"}]
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:22:04.051	error	getGroups: caught error: TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'getGroups')
          
          admin.0
          2024-01-05 12:22:03.973	info	==> Connected system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.55
          
          admin.0
          2024-01-05 12:22:02.099	info	<== Disconnect system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.55
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:21:58.972	info	List of port: [{"path":"/dev/ttyACM0","manufacturer":"Texas Instruments","serialNumber":"L1100VGY","pnpId":"usb-Texas_Instruments_XDS110__03.00.00.26__Embed_with_CMSIS-DAP_L1100VGY-if00","vendorId":"0451","productId":"bef3"},{"path":"/dev/ttyACM1","manufacturer":"Texas Instruments","serialNumber":"L1100VGY","pnpId":"usb-Texas_Instruments_XDS110__03.00.00.26__Embed_with_CMSIS-DAP_L1100VGY-if03","vendorId":"0451","productId":"bef3"},{"path":"/dev/ttyAMA10"}]
          
          zigbee.0
          2024-01-05 12:21:58.878	error	getGroups: caught error: TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'getGroups')
          

          ich installier den adapter mal neu

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            varg @Thomas Braun last edited by

            @thomas-braun

            will leider nicht

            
            zigbee.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:22.961	error	Error herdsman start
            
            zigbee.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:22.961	error	Failed to start Zigbee
            
            zigbee.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:22.961	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot lock port'"
            
            zigbee.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:22.824	info	Installed Version: iobroker.zigbee@1.9.5
            
            zigbee.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:22.816	info	Starting Zigbee npm ...
            
            zigbee.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:22.815	info	Try to reconnect. 1 attempts left
            
            admin.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:18.198	info	<== Disconnect system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.55
            
            admin.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:18.198	info	<== Disconnect system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.55
            
            zigbee.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:12.812	error	Error herdsman start
            
            zigbee.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:12.812	error	Failed to start Zigbee
            
            zigbee.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:12.812	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)"
            
            zigbee.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:05.356	info	List of port: [{"path":"/dev/ttyACM0","manufacturer":"Texas Instruments","serialNumber":"L1100VGY","pnpId":"usb-Texas_Instruments_XDS110__03.00.00.26__Embed_with_CMSIS-DAP_L1100VGY-if00","vendorId":"0451","productId":"bef3"},{"path":"/dev/ttyACM1","manufacturer":"Texas Instruments","serialNumber":"L1100VGY","pnpId":"usb-Texas_Instruments_XDS110__03.00.00.26__Embed_with_CMSIS-DAP_L1100VGY-if03","vendorId":"0451","productId":"bef3"},{"path":"/dev/ttyAMA10"}]
            
            zigbee.0
            2024-01-05 12:32:05.235	error	getGroups: caught error: TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'getGroups')
            
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              varg @varg last edited by varg

              Ich vermute es hat was mit der neuen TI Platine zu tun.

              Wenn ich den alten Stick von Arteck anschliesse funzt es auch nach Neustart.

              @arteck hast Du eine Idee wie ich das Board richtig einbinde. Geflasht wurde es wie oben beschrieben

              Ich kann nur so viel sagen dass ich mit dem TI Board nach jedem neustart ein port problem bekomme

              Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : "Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot lock port'"
              
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              • Thomas Braun
                Thomas Braun Most Active @varg last edited by

                @varg

                Ich kenne das Ding nicht, wie wird das denn angebunden? Über einen Seriellen Port?

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                  varg @Thomas Braun last edited by

                  @thomas-braun

                  ich sag einfach mal ja hab aber wenig ahnung.
                  vor 2 Jahren konnte ich die platine noch in nem anderen system ohne probleme einbinden.
                  die neuere revision eben nicht

                  youtube

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                  • Meister Mopper
                    Meister Mopper @Thomas Braun last edited by

                    @thomas-braun

                    Ich denke, hier ist der Wurm drin, oder?

                         20.0.0-1nodesource1 600
                    
                            500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_20.x nodistro/main arm64 Packages
                         18.19.0+dfsg-6~deb12u1 500
                            500 http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/main arm64 Packages
                         18.13.0+dfsg1-1 500
                            500 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main arm64 Packages
                    
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                    • Thomas Braun
                      Thomas Braun Most Active @Meister Mopper last edited by

                      @meister-mopper

                      Das ist bereits geändert worden:

                      v18.19.0 has been installed! You are using the latest version now!
                      
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                      • Thomas Braun
                        Thomas Braun Most Active @varg last edited by

                        @varg

                        Mach zur Sicherheit noch:

                        echo -e "Package: nodejs\nPin: origin deb.nodesource.com\nPin-Priority: 1001" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/nodejs.pref
                        sudo apt update
                        iob stop
                        sudo apt install nodejs=18.19.0-1nodesource1
                        iob start
                        
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                          varg @Thomas Braun last edited by varg

                          @thomas-braun

                          Ich hab das System nochmal komplett neu mit nodejs18 aufgesetzt und den alten Stick in Betrieb genommen.

                          Vielleicht hat noch jemand die neuere ti Platine mit der config und kann was dazu sagen.

                          Ich teste das Teil die Tage mal an einem PI4 mit buster und schau ob's damit läuft

                          Würde mich dann nochmal melden. Danke Euch

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                            BigChris last edited by BigChris

                            Bist du weitergekommen?

                            Gleiches Problem bei mir, nach Update vom Zigbee Adapter und nodejs funtioniert der Zigbee Adapter nicht mehr.
                            Bei mir mit dem raspbee als Aufsteckplatine.

                            Copy text starting here:

                            ======================= SUMMARY =======================
                            			v.2023-10-10
                            
                            
                             Static hostname: pi-iobroker
                                   Icon name: computer
                            Operating System: Raspbian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
                                      Kernel: Linux 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8
                                Architecture: arm64
                            
                            Installation: 		native
                            Kernel: 		aarch64
                            Userland: 		armhf
                            Timezone: 		Europe/Berlin (CET, +0100)
                            User-ID: 		1000
                            X-Server: 		false
                            Boot Target: 		multi-user.target
                            
                            Pending OS-Updates: 	0
                            Pending iob updates: 	0
                            
                            Nodejs-Installation: 	/usr/bin/nodejs 	v18.19.0
                            			/usr/bin/node 		v18.19.0
                            			/usr/bin/npm 		10.2.3
                            			/usr/bin/npx 		10.2.3
                            			/usr/bin/corepack 	0.22.0
                            
                            Recommended versions are nodejs  and npm 
                            Your nodejs installation is correct
                            
                            MEMORY: 
                                           total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
                            Mem:            8.2G        749M        7.1G        1.2M        477M        7.4G
                            Swap:           104M          0B        104M
                            Total:          8.3G        749M        7.2G
                            
                            Active iob-Instances: 	9
                            Active repo(s): stable
                            
                            ioBroker Core: 		js-controller 		5.0.17
                            			admin 			6.12.0
                            
                            ioBroker Status: 	iobroker is running on this host.
                            
                            
                            Objects type: jsonl
                            States  type: jsonl
                            
                            Status admin and web instance:
                            + system.adapter.admin.0                  : admin                 : pi-iobroker                              -  enabled, port: 8081, bind: 0.0.0.0, run as: admin
                            
                            Objects: 		1713
                            States: 		1506
                            
                            Size of iob-Database:
                            
                            19M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/objects.jsonl
                            2.7M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/states.jsonl
                            
                            
                            
                            =================== END OF SUMMARY ====================
                            

                            Was mich wundert ist das hier:
                            USB-Devices by-id:
                            USB-Sticks - Avoid direct links to /dev/* in your adapter setups, please always prefer the links 'by-id':

                            find: '/dev/serial/by-id/': No such file or directory

                            Irgendwie wird die Platine nicht mehr erkannt. Das passiert bei zwei Systemen bei mir, jeweils Rasperry Pi 3 und raspbee.

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                            • Thomas Braun
                              Thomas Braun Most Active @BigChris last edited by

                              @bigchris sagte in Error herdsman start Failed to start Zigbee:

                              Irgendwie wird die Platine nicht mehr erkannt.

                              An der Stelle dürfte die noch nie erkannt worden sein. Da tauchen nur USB-Geräte auf. Du hast doch da ein IP-basiertes Ding laufen, oder?

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                              • MartinP
                                MartinP @Thomas Braun last edited by

                                @thomas-braun Im ersten Logging finde ich "/dev/ttyACM0" das deutet doch auf USB hin, oder?

                                Braille-Reader Service?

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                                • Thomas Braun
                                  Thomas Braun Most Active @MartinP last edited by

                                  Gerade über 'raspbee' gestolpert...
                                  @BigChris : Hast du in

                                  sudo raspi-config
                                  

                                  auch die Serielle Schnittstelle freigeschaltet?

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                                  • MartinP
                                    MartinP @Thomas Braun last edited by

                                    @thomas-braun Für solche Sachen bin ich auch Spezialist - solche "Unterbau-Vorbereitungen", die man vor Urzeiten mal gemacht hat vergesse ich auch regelmäßig bei Umzügen ...

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                                    • Thomas Braun
                                      Thomas Braun Most Active @MartinP last edited by Thomas Braun

                                      @martinp

                                      Es gibt Leute, die führen Buch über Änderungen / Ergänzungen am System.

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                                        BigChris @Thomas Braun last edited by

                                        @thomas-braun sagte in Error herdsman start Failed to start Zigbee:

                                        Gerade über 'raspbee' gestolpert...
                                        @BigChris : Hast du in

                                        sudo raspi-config
                                        

                                        auch die Serielle Schnittstelle freigeschaltet?

                                        Ja habe ich auch noch mal gemacht.
                                        Ich habe im Verdacht, dass das apt update / upgrade ein defekt eingespielt hat beim wechsel zu bookworm.
                                        Die Geräte an dem GPIO werden offensichtlich nicht mehr im System erkannt.

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                                        • Thomas Braun
                                          Thomas Braun Most Active @BigChris last edited by

                                          @bigchris

                                          Gib uns mal die Langfassung von

                                          iob diag
                                          
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                                          • MartinP
                                            MartinP @Thomas Braun last edited by

                                            @thomas-braun said in Error herdsman start Failed to start Zigbee:

                                            @martinp

                                            Es gibt Leute, die führen Buch über Änderungen / Ergänzungen am System.

                                            Gute Vorsätze fürs neue Jahr ... die Logbücher von Januar und Februar sind dann regelmäßig auch zumindest annähernd vollständig 😉

                                            Wenn die Laufschuhe wieder im Schrank versauern, wird auch das Logbuch nicht mehr geführt, und in der gesparten Zeit werden wieder Kartoffelchips gefuttert 😉

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