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[Thomas Braun]

@pmther

Ja, da wirst du einiges an Geduld und sonstige Einschränkungen aufbringen müssen. Für mehr als einen ersten Einblick was möglich sein könnte wird das System nicht ausreichen.

[pmther]

@thomas-braun jetzt ist alles fertig. unter der ip Adresse kann ich leider wieder nichts öffnen.. der gleiche Fehler wie vorhin

[DJMarc75]

@pmther dann jetzt nochmal die Ausgabe von

iob diag

diesmal aber in CODETAGS posten und nicht einfach nur wild hier einfügen...

mehr dazu gibt es hier:

https://forum.iobroker.net/topic/51555/hinweise-für-gute-forenbeiträge/1

;)

[Thomas Braun]

@djmarc75 sagte in Erstinstallation Ip Adresse nicht gefunden:

diesmal aber in CODETAGS posten und nicht einfach nur wild hier einfügen...

Wenn man wie vorgesehen den Output kopiert sind sie codetags beim diag schon dabei. :-)

[pmther]

@djmarc75 @Thomas-Braun

Skript v.2023-01-02

*** BASE SYSTEM ***
Model		: Raspberry Pi 3 Model A Plus Rev 1.0
Architecture: 	aarch64
Docker: 	false
Virtualization: none
Distributor ID:	Debian
Description:	Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Release:	11
Codename:	bullseye

PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="11"
VERSION="11 (bullseye)"
VERSION_CODENAME=bullseye
ID=debian
HOME_URL="https://www.debian.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://www.debian.org/support"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.debian.org/"

Systemuptime and Load:
 20:39:35 up 42 min,  1 user,  load average: 1.04, 1.46, 4.30
CPU threads: 4

*** Time and Time Zones ***
Thu Mar 16 19:39:35 UTC 2023
Thu Mar 16 20:39:35 CET 2023
CET +0100
Europe/Berlin

*** User and Groups ***
paul
/home/paul
paul adm dialout cdrom sudo audio video plugdev games users input render netdev gpio i2c spi

*** X-Server-Setup ***
X-Server: 	false
Desktop: 	
Terminal: 	tty
Boot Target: 	multi-user.target

*** MEMORY ***
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:            419M        107M        125M        0.0K        185M        256M
Swap:            99M         31M         68M
Total:          519M        139M        193M

          419 M total memory
          108 M used memory
           94 M active memory
          118 M inactive memory
          125 M free memory
           10 M buffer memory
          174 M swap cache
           99 M total swap
           31 M used swap
           68 M free swap

*** FILESYSTEM ***
Filesystem     Type      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/root      ext4       29G  2.2G   26G   8% /
devtmpfs       devtmpfs   80M     0   80M   0% /dev
tmpfs          tmpfs     210M     0  210M   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs          tmpfs      84M 1020K   83M   2% /run
tmpfs          tmpfs     5.0M  4.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
/dev/mmcblk0p1 vfat      255M   32M  224M  13% /boot
tmpfs          tmpfs      42M     0   42M   0% /run/user/1000

Messages in dmesg:
[Thu Mar 16 19:57:24 2023] Kernel command line: coherent_pool=1M 8250.nr_uarts=0 snd_bcm2835.enable_compat_alsa=0 snd_bcm2835.enable_hdmi=1 video=HDMI-A-1:1920x1080M@60 vc_mem.mem_base=0x1ec00000 vc_mem.mem_size=0x20000000  console=ttyS0,115200 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=c4a98718-02 rootfstype=ext4 fsck.repair=yes rootwait
[Thu Mar 16 19:57:27 2023] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null). Quota mode: none.
[Thu Mar 16 19:57:27 2023] VFS: Mounted root (ext4 filesystem) readonly on device 179:2.
[Thu Mar 16 19:57:31 2023] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: commit=600. Quota mode: none.

Show mounted filesystems (real ones only):
TARGET  SOURCE         FSTYPE OPTIONS
/       /dev/mmcblk0p2 ext4   rw,noatime,commit=600
`-/boot /dev/mmcblk0p1 vfat   rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro

Files in neuralgic directories:

/var:
481M	/var/
178M	/var/cache
172M	/var/cache/apt
147M	/var/lib
122M	/var/lib/apt/lists

/opt/iobroker/backups:
du: cannot access '/opt/iobroker/backups/': No such file or directory

/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data:
3.2M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/
4.0K	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/states.jsonl.lock
4.0K	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/objects.jsonl.lock
4.0K	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/backup-objects

The five largest files in iobroker-data are:
3.1M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/objects.jsonl
36K	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/states.jsonl
8.0K	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/iobroker.json

*** NodeJS-Installation ***

/usr/bin/nodejs 	v16.19.1
/usr/bin/node 		v16.19.1
/usr/bin/npm 		8.19.3
/usr/bin/npx 		8.19.3

nodejs:
  Installed: 16.19.1-deb-1nodesource1
  Candidate: 16.19.1-deb-1nodesource1
  Version table:
 *** 16.19.1-deb-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x bullseye/main arm64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     12.22.12~dfsg-1~deb11u3 500
        500 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security/main arm64 Packages
     12.22.5~dfsg-2~11u1 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main arm64 Packages

Temp directories causing npm8 problem: 0

*** ioBroker-Installation ***

ioBroker Status
iobroker is running on this host.


Objects type: jsonl
States  type: jsonl

Core adapters versions
js-controller: 	4.0.24
admin: 		6.3.5
javascript: 	"javascript" not found

npm ERR! code ELSPROBLEMS
npm ERR! invalid: iobroker.admin@6.3.5 /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.admin
npm ERR! invalid: iobroker.backitup@2.5.12 /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.backitup
npm ERR! invalid: iobroker.discovery@3.1.0 /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.discovery
npm ERR! invalid: iobroker.js-controller@4.0.24 /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.js-controller

npm ERR! A complete log of this run can be found in:
npm ERR!     /home/paul/.npm/_logs/2023-03-16T19_39_57_392Z-debug-0.log
Adapters from github: 	0

Adapter State


+ instance is alive

Enabled adapters with bindings

ioBroker-Repositories
stable        : http://download.iobroker.net/sources-dist.json
beta          : http://download.iobroker.net/sources-dist-latest.json

Active repo(s): stable

Installed ioBroker-Instances
Used repository: stable
Adapter    "admin"        : 6.3.5    , installed 6.3.5
Adapter    "backitup"     : 2.5.12   , installed 2.5.12
Adapter    "discovery"    : 3.1.0    , installed 3.1.0
Controller "js-controller": 4.0.24   , installed 4.0.24

Objects and States
Please stand by - This may take a while
Objects: 	43
States: 	25

*** OS-Repositories and Updates ***
Hit:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye InRelease
Hit:2 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security InRelease
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates InRelease
Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bullseye InRelease
Hit:5 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x bullseye InRelease
Reading package lists...
Pending Updates: 0

*** Listening Ports ***
Active Internet connections (only servers)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address           Foreign Address         State       User       Inode      PID/Program name    
tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:9000          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1001       30946      6898/iobroker.js-co 
tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:9001          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1001       30939      6898/iobroker.js-co 
tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:22              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      0          12810      483/sshd: /usr/sbin 
tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN      0          12821      483/sshd: /usr/sbin 
udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:68              0.0.0.0:*                           0          12111      654/dhcpcd          
udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:58815           0.0.0.0:*                           108        9723       361/avahi-daemon: r 
udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:5353            0.0.0.0:*                           108        9721       361/avahi-daemon: r 
udp6       0      0 :::546                  :::*                                0          9776       654/dhcpcd          
udp6       0      0 :::55504                :::*                                108        9724       361/avahi-daemon: r 
udp6       0      0 :::5353                 :::*                                108        9722       361/avahi-daemon: r 

*** Log File - Last 25 Lines ***

2023-03-16 20:26:10.242  - info: host.paul iobroker.js-controller version 4.0.24 js-controller starting
2023-03-16 20:26:10.256  - info: host.paul Copyright (c) 2014-2022 bluefox, 2014 hobbyquaker
2023-03-16 20:26:10.295  - info: host.paul hostname: paul, node: v16.19.1
2023-03-16 20:26:10.298  - info: host.paul ip addresses: 192.168.178.41 2a02:8108:83c0:6be6:6e48:546e:9c43:f897 fe80::f368:a842:35d3:70a
2023-03-16 20:26:11.530  - info: host.paul connected to Objects and States
2023-03-16 20:26:11.639  - info: host.paul Node.js version has changed from unknown to 16.19.1
2023-03-16 20:26:11.774  - info: host.paul Successfully updated capabilities "cap_net_admin, cap_net_bind_service, cap_net_raw" for /usr/bin/node
2023-03-16 20:26:12.015  - info: host.paul added notifications configuration of host
2023-03-16 20:26:13.212  - info: host.paul  no instances found
2023-03-16 20:26:13.214  - info: host.paul no instances found

[pmther]

@djmarc75 Danke, so sieht es doch gleich viel besser aus :)

[Thomas Braun]

@pmther

iobroker start admin

[pmther]

@thomas-braun

Cannot find any instances of "admin"!

[Thomas Braun]

@pmther

Keine Ahnung was da bei dir krumm ist. Vielleicht einfach zu wenig PS...

iobroker add admin
iobroker list instances

[pmther]

@thomas-braun

+ system.adapter.admin.0                  : admin                 : paul                                     -  enabled, port: 8081, bind: 0.0.0.0, run as: admin

+ instance is alive

[pmther]

@thomas-braun jetzt funktioniert es. endlich.. vielen vielen dank für die Geduld und Mühe! :)

[Thomas Braun]

@pmther

Bitte immer vollständige Ein- und Ausgaben posten, damit man sieht wo du da wie unterwegs bist. Siehe die Installation auf dem Air von Saskia...

[pmther]

@thomas-braun
ja das mache ich beim nächsten mal.. danke.
jetzt zeigt der Biobroker mir langsame Verbindung an. Laut fritzbox wird er aber mit 390 mbit/s gespeist.. muss ich da noch etwas umstellen?

[pmther]

@pmther iobroker natürlich..

[wendy2702]

@pmther Wo zeigt er das an?

Du vergisst das wir deinen Bildschirm nicht sehen.

[DJMarc75]

@pmther zeig nochmal die Ausgabe von

iob diag

bitte...
Tippe drauf dass da jetzt schon kein Speicher mehr verfügbar ist.

[pmther]

@djmarc75

Skript v.2023-01-02

*** BASE SYSTEM ***
Model		: Raspberry Pi 3 Model A Plus Rev 1.0
Architecture: 	aarch64
Docker: 	false
Virtualization: none
Distributor ID:	Debian
Description:	Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Release:	11
Codename:	bullseye

PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="11"
VERSION="11 (bullseye)"
VERSION_CODENAME=bullseye
ID=debian
HOME_URL="https://www.debian.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://www.debian.org/support"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.debian.org/"

Systemuptime and Load:
 21:10:22 up  1:12,  1 user,  load average: 0.16, 0.22, 0.89
CPU threads: 4

*** Time and Time Zones ***
Thu Mar 16 20:10:22 UTC 2023
Thu Mar 16 21:10:22 CET 2023
CET +0100
Europe/Berlin

*** User and Groups ***
paul
/home/paul
paul adm dialout cdrom sudo audio video plugdev games users input render netdev gpio i2c spi

*** X-Server-Setup ***
X-Server: 	false
Desktop: 	
Terminal: 	tty
Boot Target: 	multi-user.target

*** MEMORY ***
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:            419M        253M         93M        0.0K         72M        113M
Swap:            99M         95M        4.0M
Total:          519M        348M         97M

          419 M total memory
          253 M used memory
           75 M active memory
          183 M inactive memory
           93 M free memory
            5 M buffer memory
           67 M swap cache
           99 M total swap
           95 M used swap
            4 M free swap

*** FILESYSTEM ***
Filesystem     Type      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/root      ext4       29G  2.2G   26G   8% /
devtmpfs       devtmpfs   80M     0   80M   0% /dev
tmpfs          tmpfs     210M     0  210M   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs          tmpfs      84M 1020K   83M   2% /run
tmpfs          tmpfs     5.0M  4.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
/dev/mmcblk0p1 vfat      255M   32M  224M  13% /boot
tmpfs          tmpfs      42M     0   42M   0% /run/user/1000

Messages in dmesg:
[Thu Mar 16 19:57:24 2023] Kernel command line: coherent_pool=1M 8250.nr_uarts=0 snd_bcm2835.enable_compat_alsa=0 snd_bcm2835.enable_hdmi=1 video=HDMI-A-1:1920x1080M@60 vc_mem.mem_base=0x1ec00000 vc_mem.mem_size=0x20000000  console=ttyS0,115200 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=c4a98718-02 rootfstype=ext4 fsck.repair=yes rootwait
[Thu Mar 16 19:57:27 2023] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null). Quota mode: none.
[Thu Mar 16 19:57:27 2023] VFS: Mounted root (ext4 filesystem) readonly on device 179:2.
[Thu Mar 16 19:57:31 2023] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: commit=600. Quota mode: none.

Show mounted filesystems (real ones only):
TARGET  SOURCE         FSTYPE OPTIONS
/       /dev/mmcblk0p2 ext4   rw,noatime,commit=600
`-/boot /dev/mmcblk0p1 vfat   rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro

Files in neuralgic directories:

/var:
481M	/var/
178M	/var/cache
172M	/var/cache/apt
147M	/var/lib
122M	/var/lib/apt/lists

/opt/iobroker/backups:
4.0K	/opt/iobroker/backups/

/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data:
18M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/
15M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/files
13M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/files/admin.admin/custom/static/js
13M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/files/admin.admin/custom/static
13M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/files/admin.admin/custom

The five largest files in iobroker-data are:
6.3M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/files/admin.admin/custom/static/js/vendors-node_modules_iobroker_adapter-react-v5_assets_devices_parseNames_js-node_modules_iobr-99c23e.847b8ad9.chunk.js.map
3.2M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/objects.jsonl
2.8M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/files/admin.admin/custom/static/js/vendors-node_modules_iobroker_adapter-react-v5_assets_devices_parseNames_js-node_modules_iobr-99c23e.847b8ad9.chunk.js
1.6M	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/files/admin.admin/custom/static/js/vendors-node_modules_mui_material_Accordion_index_js-node_modules_mui_material_AccordionDetai-57e02d.0886b730.chunk.js.map
652K	/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/files/admin.admin/custom/static/js/vendors-node_modules_mui_material_index_js.40e01f69.chunk.js.map

*** NodeJS-Installation ***

/usr/bin/nodejs 	v16.19.1
/usr/bin/node 		v16.19.1
/usr/bin/npm 		8.19.3
/usr/bin/npx 		8.19.3

nodejs:
  Installed: 16.19.1-deb-1nodesource1
  Candidate: 16.19.1-deb-1nodesource1
  Version table:
 *** 16.19.1-deb-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x bullseye/main arm64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     12.22.12~dfsg-1~deb11u3 500
        500 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security/main arm64 Packages
     12.22.5~dfsg-2~11u1 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main arm64 Packages

Temp directories causing npm8 problem: 0

*** ioBroker-Installation ***

ioBroker Status
iobroker is running on this host.


Objects type: jsonl
States  type: jsonl

Core adapters versions
js-controller: 	4.0.24
admin: 		6.3.5
javascript: 	"javascript" not found

Adapters from github: 	0

Adapter State
+ system.adapter.admin.0                  : admin                 : paul                                     -  enabled, port: 8081, bind: 0.0.0.0, run as: admin
+ system.adapter.backitup.0               : backitup              : paul                                     -  enabled
+ system.adapter.discovery.0              : discovery             : paul                                     -  enabled
+ system.adapter.hue.0                    : hue                   : paul                                     -  enabled, port: 443

+ instance is alive

Enabled adapters with bindings
+ system.adapter.admin.0                  : admin                 : paul                                     -  enabled, port: 8081, bind: 0.0.0.0, run as: admin
+ system.adapter.hue.0                    : hue                   : paul                                     -  enabled, port: 443

ioBroker-Repositories
stable        : http://download.iobroker.net/sources-dist.json
beta          : http://download.iobroker.net/sources-dist-latest.json

Active repo(s): stable

Installed ioBroker-Instances
Used repository: stable
Adapter    "admin"        : 6.3.5    , installed 6.3.5
Adapter    "backitup"     : 2.5.12   , installed 2.5.12
Adapter    "discovery"    : 3.1.0    , installed 3.1.0
Adapter    "hue"          : 3.7.1    , installed 3.7.1
Controller "js-controller": 4.0.24   , installed 4.0.24

Objects and States
Please stand by - This may take a while
Objects: 	164
States: 	122

*** OS-Repositories and Updates ***
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security InRelease
Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye InRelease
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates InRelease
Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bullseye InRelease
Hit:5 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x bullseye InRelease
Reading package lists...
Pending Updates: 0

*** Listening Ports ***
Active Internet connections (only servers)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address           Foreign Address         State       User       Inode      PID/Program name    
tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:9000          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1001       30946      6898/iobroker.js-co 
tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:9001          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1001       30939      6898/iobroker.js-co 
tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:22              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      0          12810      483/sshd: /usr/sbin 
tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN      0          12821      483/sshd: /usr/sbin 
tcp6       0      0 :::8081                 :::*                    LISTEN      1001       41198      9258/io.admin.0     
udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:68              0.0.0.0:*                           0          12111      654/dhcpcd          
udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:58815           0.0.0.0:*                           108        9723       361/avahi-daemon: r 
udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:5353            0.0.0.0:*                           108        9721       361/avahi-daemon: r 
udp6       0      0 :::546                  :::*                                0          9776       654/dhcpcd          
udp6       0      0 :::55504                :::*                                108        9724       361/avahi-daemon: r 
udp6       0      0 :::5353                 :::*                                108        9722       361/avahi-daemon: r 

*** Log File - Last 25 Lines ***

2023-03-16 20:59:37.383  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul object system.adapter.hue.0.memHeapTotal created
2023-03-16 20:59:37.404  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul object system.adapter.hue.0.memRss created
2023-03-16 20:59:37.423  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul object system.adapter.hue.0.uptime created
2023-03-16 20:59:37.444  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul object system.adapter.hue.0.inputCount created
2023-03-16 20:59:37.474  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul object system.adapter.hue.0.outputCount created
2023-03-16 20:59:37.492  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul object system.adapter.hue.0.eventLoopLag created
2023-03-16 20:59:37.523  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul object system.adapter.hue.0.sigKill created
2023-03-16 20:59:37.538  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul object system.adapter.hue.0.logLevel created
2023-03-16 20:59:37.551  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul object hue.0.info created
2023-03-16 20:59:37.565  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul object hue.0.info.connection created
2023-03-16 20:59:37.586  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul Set default value of hue.0.info.connection: false
2023-03-16 20:59:37.620  - info: host.paul iobroker host.paul object system.adapter.hue.0 created
2023-03-16 20:59:37.949  - info: backitup.0 (9434) starting. Version 2.5.12 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.backitup, node: v16.19.1, js-controller: 4.0.24
2023-03-16 20:59:38.183  - info: backitup.0 (9434) [iobroker] backup was activated at 02:40 every 1 day(s)
2023-03-16 20:59:38.778  - info: host.paul iobroker exit 0
2023-03-16 20:59:40.678  - info: host.paul instance system.adapter.hue.0 started with pid 9457
2023-03-16 20:59:40.852  - info: admin.0 (9258) ==> Connected system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.31
2023-03-16 20:59:44.837  - info: hue.0 (9457) starting. Version 3.7.1 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.hue, node: v16.19.1, js-controller: 4.0.24
2023-03-16 20:59:44.897  - warn: hue.0 (9457) No bridge configured yet - please configure the adapter first
2023-03-16 21:01:20.805  - error: hue.0 (9457) Error on browsing via NUPNP: Problems resolving hue bridges, Request failed with status code 429
2023-03-16 21:01:26.662  - info: admin.0 (9258) <== Disconnect system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.31 
2023-03-16 21:02:05.344  - info: admin.0 (9258) <== Disconnect system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.31 admin
2023-03-16 21:02:05.919  - info: admin.0 (9258) ==> Connected system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.31
2023-03-16 21:12:39.742  - info: admin.0 (9258) <== Disconnect system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.31 admin
2023-03-16 21:12:40.568  - info: admin.0 (9258) ==> Connected system.user.admin from ::ffff:192.168.178.31

[pmther]

@djmarc75
Habe gerade schon nach einem vierer geschaut. Meinst du, die 2gb Variante reicht oder ist das wieder nichts halbes und nichts ganzes?

[wendy2702]

@pmther Nichts halbes und nichts ganzes.

Meine Meinung.

[pmther]

@wendy2702 okay, also gleich den 8er?