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Steuerung Hörmann SupraMatic 3 mit HMip-MOD-HO?

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  • U UV-on-fire

    @feuersturm
    Ich nutze genau die gleichen Adapter wie du.
    Woher kommt denn der Datenpunt Taster_Test-G-R her?

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    V8Turbo
    schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
    #48

    @uv-on-fire Den Taster habe ich zum testen erstellt.
    Ich nutze "HomeMatic IP Cloud-Zugriffspunkt" als Adapter ... Falsch ??

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    • U UV-on-fire

      @v8turbo sagte in Steuerung Hörmann SupraMatic 3 mit HMip-MOD-HO?:

      @feuersturm
      Nein da macht es nix das ist es ja. Kann da eintragen was ich will.

      Und bei Yahka fährt es nur in die Lüftungsposition, ist aber wie gesagt bekannt das es nicht richtig funktioniert... Gab es nur noch keine Lösung.

      So sieht das aus wenn ich das manuell auf 1 stelle...
      Unbenannt2.png

      Am Tor selbst muss man nix einstellen weiter oder ??

      Sorry für das Antwort chaos. Muss jetzt glaube ich langsam mal ins Bett :sleeping:

      Glaube aber Feuersturm hat recht. Im Screenshot von v8turbo sieht man oben rechts das Symbol vom Cloud Adapter. Hängt wohl damit zusammen.

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      UV-on-fire
      schrieb am zuletzt editiert von UV-on-fire
      #49

      @uv-on-fire
      Falsch kann man so nicht sagen. Wenn du nur einen Accesspoint hast geht glaube ich eh nichts anderes. Bei CCU und Raspberrymatic sind die anderen beiden eben Standard.

      Allerdings gehe ich davon aus das die Probleme eventuell mit dem Cloud Adapter oder dem Accesspoint zusammenhängen da mit dem anderen Adapter das ganze ja bei mir und auch Feuersturm funktioniert. Sind scheinbar auch andere Datenpunkte als bei der CCU.

      Hab jetzt keine Erfahrung mit dem Accesspoint aber so wie ich das verstehe sind die Datenpunkte manuell angelegt in der Cloud? Kannst du mal prüfen ob du da irgendwas mit Read/Write oder so einstellen kannst. Nur so eine Idee.

      Gerade mal die Adapterbeschreibung gelesen:
      3d543dfb-00ac-4543-8028-806676bfb549-grafik.png

      Über die App scheint das ja zu funktionieren. Kannst du mal prüfen ob bei der Bedienung über App sich der Datenpunkt door command entsprechend ändert.

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      • U UV-on-fire

        @uv-on-fire
        Falsch kann man so nicht sagen. Wenn du nur einen Accesspoint hast geht glaube ich eh nichts anderes. Bei CCU und Raspberrymatic sind die anderen beiden eben Standard.

        Allerdings gehe ich davon aus das die Probleme eventuell mit dem Cloud Adapter oder dem Accesspoint zusammenhängen da mit dem anderen Adapter das ganze ja bei mir und auch Feuersturm funktioniert. Sind scheinbar auch andere Datenpunkte als bei der CCU.

        Hab jetzt keine Erfahrung mit dem Accesspoint aber so wie ich das verstehe sind die Datenpunkte manuell angelegt in der Cloud? Kannst du mal prüfen ob du da irgendwas mit Read/Write oder so einstellen kannst. Nur so eine Idee.

        Gerade mal die Adapterbeschreibung gelesen:
        3d543dfb-00ac-4543-8028-806676bfb549-grafik.png

        Über die App scheint das ja zu funktionieren. Kannst du mal prüfen ob bei der Bedienung über App sich der Datenpunkt door command entsprechend ändert.

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        V8Turbo
        schrieb am zuletzt editiert von V8Turbo
        #50

        @uv-on-fire Hmm ich habe leider nur den Homematic Repeater und keine CCU. Also gehen die anderen Adapter nicht oder ?

        Wenn ich das Tor auf fahre per APP ändern sich die Werte...

        on = true
        processing = true
        doorState = closed (<- wenn ich es wieder zu gefahren habe)

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        • U UV-on-fire

          @uv-on-fire
          Falsch kann man so nicht sagen. Wenn du nur einen Accesspoint hast geht glaube ich eh nichts anderes. Bei CCU und Raspberrymatic sind die anderen beiden eben Standard.

          Allerdings gehe ich davon aus das die Probleme eventuell mit dem Cloud Adapter oder dem Accesspoint zusammenhängen da mit dem anderen Adapter das ganze ja bei mir und auch Feuersturm funktioniert. Sind scheinbar auch andere Datenpunkte als bei der CCU.

          Hab jetzt keine Erfahrung mit dem Accesspoint aber so wie ich das verstehe sind die Datenpunkte manuell angelegt in der Cloud? Kannst du mal prüfen ob du da irgendwas mit Read/Write oder so einstellen kannst. Nur so eine Idee.

          Gerade mal die Adapterbeschreibung gelesen:
          3d543dfb-00ac-4543-8028-806676bfb549-grafik.png

          Über die App scheint das ja zu funktionieren. Kannst du mal prüfen ob bei der Bedienung über App sich der Datenpunkt door command entsprechend ändert.

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          V8Turbo
          schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
          #51

          @uv-on-fire Habe gerade das hier gefunden....

          https://github.com/iobroker-community-adapters/ioBroker.hmip/issues/349

          Soll wohl an einem Update liegen von dem HM Cloud Adapter... :(

          Ich verstehe leider nicht was ich wie ändern kann damit es geht ?!? Oder geht der Adapter garnicht mehr ?

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          • V V8Turbo

            @uv-on-fire Habe gerade das hier gefunden....

            https://github.com/iobroker-community-adapters/ioBroker.hmip/issues/349

            Soll wohl an einem Update liegen von dem HM Cloud Adapter... :(

            Ich verstehe leider nicht was ich wie ändern kann damit es geht ?!? Oder geht der Adapter garnicht mehr ?

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            V8Turbo
            schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
            #52

            @v8turbo ein RPI-RF-MOD Modul hat niemand rumliegen oder ? Lieferzeit 9 Wochen ..... ^^

            Kann mir den jemand sagen was ich MINIMAL bräuchte damit es irgendwie funktioniert ?

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            • V V8Turbo

              @uv-on-fire Hmm ich habe leider nur den Homematic Repeater und keine CCU. Also gehen die anderen Adapter nicht oder ?

              Wenn ich das Tor auf fahre per APP ändern sich die Werte...

              on = true
              processing = true
              doorState = closed (<- wenn ich es wieder zu gefahren habe)

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              UV-on-fire
              schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
              #53

              @v8turbo
              Soweit ich weiß geht beim Accesspoint nur der Cloud Adapter.

              Das Verhalten der Datenpunkte ist identisch wie bei mir. Der Entwickler schreibt ja das nur Ereignisse ausgelöst werden können die auch über die APP ausgelöst werden. Denke daher das die Steuerung über Door_Command nicht möglich ist da der Datenpunkt ja bei Ansteuerung über die APP auch nicht geändert werden.

              Prüfe mal noch die Datenpunkte 0 oder info. Vielleicht lässt es sich da über irgendeinen Punkt steuern.

              Ansonsten muss dir wohl jemand der auch den Accesspoint hat weiterhelfen oder du machst einen Request im Github vom Entwickler des Adapters, vielleicht kann der dir weiterhelfen. Sorry

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                UV-on-fire
                schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                #54

                @v8turbo
                Anscheinend muss da an dem Adapter was angepasst werden da die Werte vertauscht sind.

                Vorher war wohl z.B. 0 = Open jetzt ist 1=Open usw. Du kannst mal probieren was passiert wenn du z.B. den Wert 2 setzt. Dieser ist bei dir wohl als Stop definiert müsste aber laut alter Definition im Git close sein. Dann müsste das Tor bei dir auch zufahren so wie ich das verstehe.

                Wirst du wohl leider warten müssen bis zum Update des Adapters.

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                • L LogSeb

                  Ok... Habe noch einmal ein bisschen nachgedacht und gelernt, wie man in ioBroker Variablen anlegt. Jetzt funktionierts für mich perfekt:

                  Bildschirmfoto 2020-03-29 um 18.09.05.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-03-29 um 18.09.21.png

                  Das Objekt "Letzter Zustand Garagentor" spricht für sich selbst. Die Variable wird in Abhängigkeit vom DOOR_STATE auf "Garagentor geöffnet" bzw. "Garagentor geschlossen" gesetzt. So wird sichergestellt, dass alles auch dann korrekt funktioniert, wenn man das Tor über das Handy / die Hörmann Fernbedienung ansteuert.

                  Vielleicht hilft das ja dem einen oder anderen.

                  Beste Grüße!

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                  LaBamba
                  schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                  #55

                  @logseb
                  Hallo,
                  auf der Suche nach der Steuerung habe ich deinen Beitrag gefunden.
                  Darf ich fragen wie du dies in VIS eingebaut hast? Hast du einen Datenpunkte angelegt und diese mit einem Schalter zu steuern?
                  Viele Grüße

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                  • FeuersturmF Feuersturm

                    @mguenther Hi, ich habe das HMIP-MOD-HO Modul und steuere es über ioBroker an ohne Klimmzüge in der CCU3 machen zu müssen.
                    So sieht der Bereich bei mir in VIS aus
                    d978e93d-8759-498b-b23d-d254c48e26ba-grafik.png

                    Links oben - Lüftungsstellung: hm-rpc.0.00241A49A769E4.1.DOOR_COMMAND mit dem Wert 4
                    Links unten - Stopp: hm-rpc.0.00241A49A769E4.1.DOOR_COMMAND mit dem Wert 2
                    Rechts oben - Hochfahren: hm-rpc.0.00241A49A769E4.1.DOOR_COMMAND mit dem Wert 1
                    Rechts unten - Herunterfahren: hm-rpc.0.00241A49A769E4.1.DOOR_COMMAND mitdem Wert 3

                    Wenn das Tor nicht geschlossen ist wird mir dieses Icon angezeigt:
                    6b5abb13-cabb-4fca-9bf6-3dc01cb15ea5-grafik.png
                    Auswertung läuft über hm-rpc.0.00241A49A769E4.1.DOOR_STATE

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                    LaBamba
                    schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                    #56

                    @feuersturm
                    Hallo,
                    ich würde gerne wissen mit welchen Elementen du das bei VIS realisiert hast.
                    Wie kann ich hier einen Wert schreiben?
                    Vielleicht kannst du das VIS posten damit man dahinter schauen kann.
                    Viele Grüße

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                    • L LaBamba

                      @logseb
                      Hallo,
                      auf der Suche nach der Steuerung habe ich deinen Beitrag gefunden.
                      Darf ich fragen wie du dies in VIS eingebaut hast? Hast du einen Datenpunkte angelegt und diese mit einem Schalter zu steuern?
                      Viele Grüße

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                      LogSeb
                      schrieb am zuletzt editiert von LogSeb
                      #57

                      @labamba
                      VIS nutze ich selber leider nicht. Ich vermute aber, dass du dich eher auf den Beitrag von Feuersturm beziehst.

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                      • L LaBamba

                        @feuersturm
                        Hallo,
                        ich würde gerne wissen mit welchen Elementen du das bei VIS realisiert hast.
                        Wie kann ich hier einen Wert schreiben?
                        Vielleicht kannst du das VIS posten damit man dahinter schauen kann.
                        Viele Grüße

                        FeuersturmF Online
                        FeuersturmF Online
                        Feuersturm
                        schrieb am zuletzt editiert von Feuersturm
                        #58

                        @labamba
                        Diese Element in VIS
                        d34287d0-b025-43cb-8efe-4a1ab471ae3c-grafik.png d8823340-66b3-407b-9764-6ac45e07e21c-grafik.png

                        hab ich wie folgt realisiert:
                        Widget Export:

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                        CSS Klassen zum rotieren der rechten Pfeile

                        .rot90{
                        transform: rotate(90deg);
                        }
                        .rot180{
                        transform: rotate(180deg);
                        }
                        .rot270{
                        transform: rotate(270deg);
                        }
                        

                        Für die Icons brauchst du den Adapter "icons-material-png"
                        Für die Buttons brauchst du den Adapter vis-jqui-mfd

                        Das ist die Grafik für den offenen Zustand des Garagentors, welche ich unter /vis.0/Garage_offen_Auto.png abgelegt habe
                        (Einfach hier drunter mal klicken, es ist eine Grafik in weiß)
                        vis.0_Garage_offen_Auto.png

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                        • FeuersturmF Feuersturm

                          @labamba
                          Diese Element in VIS
                          d34287d0-b025-43cb-8efe-4a1ab471ae3c-grafik.png d8823340-66b3-407b-9764-6ac45e07e21c-grafik.png

                          hab ich wie folgt realisiert:
                          Widget Export:

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                          CSS Klassen zum rotieren der rechten Pfeile

                          .rot90{
                          transform: rotate(90deg);
                          }
                          .rot180{
                          transform: rotate(180deg);
                          }
                          .rot270{
                          transform: rotate(270deg);
                          }
                          

                          Für die Icons brauchst du den Adapter "icons-material-png"
                          Für die Buttons brauchst du den Adapter vis-jqui-mfd

                          Das ist die Grafik für den offenen Zustand des Garagentors, welche ich unter /vis.0/Garage_offen_Auto.png abgelegt habe
                          (Einfach hier drunter mal klicken, es ist eine Grafik in weiß)
                          vis.0_Garage_offen_Auto.png

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                          MartyBr
                          schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                          #59

                          @feuersturm
                          Kannst du bitte noch die CSS Klasse posten? Bei den Grafiken rechts wird auf eine Klasse rot270 verwiesen.

                          Gruß
                          Martin


                          Intel NUCs mit Proxmox / Iobroker als VM unter Debian
                          Raspeberry mit USB Leseköpfen für Smartmeter
                          Homematic und Homematic IP

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                          • M MartyBr

                            @feuersturm
                            Kannst du bitte noch die CSS Klasse posten? Bei den Grafiken rechts wird auf eine Klasse rot270 verwiesen.

                            FeuersturmF Online
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                            Feuersturm
                            schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                            #60

                            @martybr Na klar, habe ich oben als Spoiler mit eingefügt.

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                            • FeuersturmF Feuersturm

                              @martybr Na klar, habe ich oben als Spoiler mit eingefügt.

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                              MartyBr
                              schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                              #61

                              @feuersturm
                              Vielen Dank.

                              Gruß
                              Martin


                              Intel NUCs mit Proxmox / Iobroker als VM unter Debian
                              Raspeberry mit USB Leseköpfen für Smartmeter
                              Homematic und Homematic IP

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                              • FeuersturmF Feuersturm

                                @labamba
                                Diese Element in VIS
                                d34287d0-b025-43cb-8efe-4a1ab471ae3c-grafik.png d8823340-66b3-407b-9764-6ac45e07e21c-grafik.png

                                hab ich wie folgt realisiert:
                                Widget Export:

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                                CSS Klassen zum rotieren der rechten Pfeile

                                .rot90{
                                transform: rotate(90deg);
                                }
                                .rot180{
                                transform: rotate(180deg);
                                }
                                .rot270{
                                transform: rotate(270deg);
                                }
                                

                                Für die Icons brauchst du den Adapter "icons-material-png"
                                Für die Buttons brauchst du den Adapter vis-jqui-mfd

                                Das ist die Grafik für den offenen Zustand des Garagentors, welche ich unter /vis.0/Garage_offen_Auto.png abgelegt habe
                                (Einfach hier drunter mal klicken, es ist eine Grafik in weiß)
                                vis.0_Garage_offen_Auto.png

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                                L Offline
                                LaBamba
                                schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                                #62

                                @feuersturm
                                Danke, das schaut richtig gut aus!
                                Werde es morgen mal testen.
                                Die grafik mit dem offenen Garagentor und dem Auto findest auch unter:
                                /icons-mfd-png/fst_garage.png

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                                • FeuersturmF Feuersturm

                                  @labamba
                                  Diese Element in VIS
                                  d34287d0-b025-43cb-8efe-4a1ab471ae3c-grafik.png d8823340-66b3-407b-9764-6ac45e07e21c-grafik.png

                                  hab ich wie folgt realisiert:
                                  Widget Export:

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                                  CSS Klassen zum rotieren der rechten Pfeile

                                  .rot90{
                                  transform: rotate(90deg);
                                  }
                                  .rot180{
                                  transform: rotate(180deg);
                                  }
                                  .rot270{
                                  transform: rotate(270deg);
                                  }
                                  

                                  Für die Icons brauchst du den Adapter "icons-material-png"
                                  Für die Buttons brauchst du den Adapter vis-jqui-mfd

                                  Das ist die Grafik für den offenen Zustand des Garagentors, welche ich unter /vis.0/Garage_offen_Auto.png abgelegt habe
                                  (Einfach hier drunter mal klicken, es ist eine Grafik in weiß)
                                  vis.0_Garage_offen_Auto.png

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                                  LaBamba
                                  schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                                  #63

                                  @feuersturm

                                  Klappt super!
                                  Ich habe nur die Sympole etwas geändert. Für mich zu verwirrend! Stopp ist bei mir z.B. eine Hand.

                                  Eine Frage habe ich noch.
                                  Gibt es eine Möglichkeit noch mehr Zustände des IST Zustandes anzuzeigen.
                                  Ich möchte gerne noch die ein Lüftungssympol hinzufügen, bzw. einen undefinierten Zustand (falls es nicht zu, auf oder im Lüftungsmodus ist).

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                                    @feuersturm

                                    Klappt super!
                                    Ich habe nur die Sympole etwas geändert. Für mich zu verwirrend! Stopp ist bei mir z.B. eine Hand.

                                    Eine Frage habe ich noch.
                                    Gibt es eine Möglichkeit noch mehr Zustände des IST Zustandes anzuzeigen.
                                    Ich möchte gerne noch die ein Lüftungssympol hinzufügen, bzw. einen undefinierten Zustand (falls es nicht zu, auf oder im Lüftungsmodus ist).

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                                    LaBamba
                                    schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                                    #64

                                    Habe es gefunden! Kann man über Signalbilder realisieren.

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                                    • L LaBamba

                                      Habe es gefunden! Kann man über Signalbilder realisieren.

                                      FeuersturmF Online
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                                      Feuersturm
                                      schrieb am zuletzt editiert von
                                      #65

                                      @labamba Wie hast du es bei dir mit den Signalbildern realisiert? Kannst du Screenshots posten?

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                                      • FeuersturmF Feuersturm

                                        @labamba Wie hast du es bei dir mit den Signalbildern realisiert? Kannst du Screenshots posten?

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                                        LaBamba
                                        schrieb am zuletzt editiert von LaBamba
                                        #66

                                        @feuersturm
                                        Bildschirmfoto 2022-10-10 um 21.26.28.png

                                        Der IST-Zustand ist mit dem Basic image 8 umgesetzt.

                                        Die zusätzliche Schrift des Status ist mit:
                                        Basic valuelist HTML Style
                                        umgesetzt.

                                        Bildschirmfoto 2022-10-10 um 21.42.37.png

                                        Die Rotation für die Pfeile war da noch nicht drin.

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